[Avshalom]

neoliberalism is (broadly) an ideology that markets are/will-find the optimal solution for everything. Giving people housing, not being a market-based-solution, is not neoliberalism.

Also yes, maintained by city expenditure, it's been shown time and time again that housing is way fucking cheaper than a combination of policing and emergency medicine.

that's not even to touch the moral/ethical imperative that human life has intrinsic value and we should strive to provide everyone with the resources and dignity that they need.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you made me welcome, lacking clothes and you clothed me, sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me.

If it fails, then what is the question you need to answer, because my answer is: keep trying.

[Pigalowda]

Yes yes very righteous and unproductive.

My answer: 3 strike rule and semi permanent sequestration by the state.

You get your cheap housing after all.

[Avshalom]

"sequestration"

Incarceration.

Slave labor.

Because you saw a penis three times.

[Pigalowda]

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease.

If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilitation centers for the addicted and managed convalescence centers. If they keep at their previous behaviors then they get longer and longer stays in sequestration.

If you want prisons and slaves - fine. If that’s your uncreative pitiful solution besides throwing cash away and creating ghettos, so be it. I’m not sure what the penis comment is about.

[Avshalom]

>centers.

That they're not allowed to leave?

>which can be comfortable and have amenities

That have to be maintained by city expenditure?

You're not even describing "prison with extra steps" you're just describing prison.

[Pigalowda]

Yep that’s it. Everything is a prison. Zzzz

[Avshalom]

Not everything is prison, but involuntary holds in psychiatric facilities are, and they're more expensive than just paying somebodies rent.

[Avshalom]

And when they get discharged from these "comfortable" psych units and still have no housing... what then?

[Avshalom]

Also, what about the ones that don't have psychiatric problems (i.e. the vast majority of the unhoused)?

[hotpotamus]

I wish everyone would get vaccinated against transmittable diseases to include covid and influenza, but if I started saying the government should mandate it, I'd be called an authoritarian. Forcing psychotropic drugs into people seems like quite a step beyond that.

Also, apparently these homeless people have much better insurance than I do if it's feasible for them to live in psychiatric hospitals with any kind of amenity.

[Pigalowda]

These populations have HIV/AIDS, Hep C, and TB mostly.

Forcing psychotropic drugs on uncontrolled psychotic patients is already done. They are a danger to themselves and the people around them. Once stabilized they are discharged and they get scooped up again after the antipsychotics wear off. They really stand no chance without constant intervention.

[hotpotamus]

Yep, that sounds pretty illiberal. Again, I'm all for it, but it seems pretty tough to justify it in the modern US where personal liberty is considered quite sacrosanct. I imagine we're sooner to allow them access to guns than provide long-term healthcare for able-bodied adults.