[7speter]

I don’t know if TSMC’s days are numbered, but at best they seem to be fumbling with their 3nm process and it kinda seems like Intel is hitting bottom as far as their process development woes are concerned. Theres an intel 7 refresh up next rumored at the end of the year for consumers, and then they will seemingly take their next swing at gpus with Battlemage and should be ready to release intel 4 consumer products next year. Imho, at least, they seem to have the most exciting stuff coming next year.

[epolanski]

I don't trust any single bit of "it's coming" from Intel after the 7 years delay of their 10nm node and their disappointing 7 one. 7 years is a disaster and a dead sentence in this business.

They aren't the new IBM/Oracle yet, but they need a bet that doesn't depend on their manufacturing capabilities.

[Dylan16807]

Well "Intel 7" is the same node as 10nm, so it's one big failure rather than two.

[mycall]

I have a hard time excepting that my 32 thread laptop CPU is a big failure. It is the best I've ever used.

[Dylan16807]

It's the production process that's a big failure. You should have had a similar CPU generations earlier.

And my understanding is that AMD is currently much better when you have a low power budget: https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17641/130507.png https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power... (I know those are the desktop versions and that's all AMD has, but by the time you're looking at cooling 50-150 watts the socket isn't very important.) (Also Intel claims their lowest-wattage 8+16 core, by a huge margin, is a desktop model.)

[brucethemoose2]

Yeah. I am excited about Intel's products, but you can't trust their timetables as far as you can throw them.

[mynonameaccount]

3nm is HARD. Everybody will fumble. TSMC is fumbling now and Intel will fumble it later. 2nm, 1nm will be even harder and expect more fumbling.

[ksec]

>TSMC is fumbling now

That is what mainstream / Apple centric media wants to tell / sell that story.

[blakespot]

3nm should be (small) enough for anybody...

[worrycue]

Are they doing Intel 7+ or something?

The only refresh I heard of is the Raptor Lake CPU refresh which will be Intel’s 14th gen CPUs - which might enable some features like the Digital Linear Voltage Regulator (DLVR) that were disabled due to bugs in the 13th gen CPUs; DLVR could potentially significantly reduce power draw.