[epolanski]

I don't trust any single bit of "it's coming" from Intel after the 7 years delay of their 10nm node and their disappointing 7 one. 7 years is a disaster and a dead sentence in this business.

They aren't the new IBM/Oracle yet, but they need a bet that doesn't depend on their manufacturing capabilities.

[Dylan16807]

Well "Intel 7" is the same node as 10nm, so it's one big failure rather than two.

[mycall]

I have a hard time excepting that my 32 thread laptop CPU is a big failure. It is the best I've ever used.

[Dylan16807]

It's the production process that's a big failure. You should have had a similar CPU generations earlier.

And my understanding is that AMD is currently much better when you have a low power budget: https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17641/130507.png https://www.anandtech.com/show/17641/lighter-touch-cpu-power... (I know those are the desktop versions and that's all AMD has, but by the time you're looking at cooling 50-150 watts the socket isn't very important.) (Also Intel claims their lowest-wattage 8+16 core, by a huge margin, is a desktop model.)

[brucethemoose2]

Yeah. I am excited about Intel's products, but you can't trust their timetables as far as you can throw them.