[Temporary_31337]

Why so shallow? Don’t care for this particular feature, maybe but the broader fight is about ownership and control of the things you paid for. Sideloading is going to be nice for programmers as it will have to allow for more flexibility in what apps are allowed to execute

[itake]

With automatic updates and SaaS business models, we have fully lost control of our devices.

There is no way for me to disable marketing push notifications on any device.

I can’t tell Facebook to remove Reels because it’s too addicting.

Firefox is my primary brower, but 5x per week I have to switch to Chrome because a website won’t let me login or is acting funky.

We have lost control of our devices

[mrguyorama]

>Firefox is my primary brower, but 5x per week I have to switch to Chrome because a website won’t let me login or is acting funky.

I have used firefox and adblock/ublock since literally 2007, and have NEVER experienced this. What websites have given you trouble? What functionality doesn't work in firefox? What functionality is even different in firefox? Is it just servers reading your user-agent and saying no?

[itake]

I'm finding oauth doesn't always work. I haven't run into it recently, but it was annoying.

A documented gap is my SSO provider (JumpCloud)'s Device Trust Certificate only works in Chrome and Safari on MacOS.

https://support.jumpcloud.com/support/s/article/supported-we... https://support.jumpcloud.com/support/s/article/understandin...

[illiarian]

> Why so shallow?

It's called being pragmatic

> will have to allow for more flexibility in what apps are allowed to execute

Of course it won't. There will be 1% of apps that do something that HN crowd will perhaps care about.

The rest will be apps that try to circumvent privacy and security, and/or chase their own goal. Note how much speculation there is about Meta going the side-loading route.

[FrozenSynapse]

You underestimate the size of alternative stores. I bet there's more than 1% of users that use alternative stores on Android.

That lightning cable on iOS is stupid, it only benefits Apple.

Both changes are more than welcome, although I don't use iPhones (precisely for this reasons - closed ecosystem, lighting)

[illiarian]

> You underestimate the size of alternative stores.

We both can both underestimate and overestimate the size

> That lightning cable on iOS is stupid, it only benefits

Apple has had exactly two connector types.

USB has 14 connector types. On top of that USB didn't even have a power delivery standard until after Apple shipped lighting, and didn't have things like fast charges etc. until USB-C.

And USB-C is in itself a big mess of a standard where you can't even be sure if a cable support features you need.

So, no. Lightning benefited Apple's customers immensely.

[mrguyorama]

Ah yes, $20 for a 1 meter cable is so good for the users, so they can get USB 2.0 speeds! Lightening hasn't been a competitive standard for like a decade. High power charging standards were around since 2012 at least.

[illiarian]

> Lightening hasn't been a competitive standard for like a decade.

Lightning was introduced in 2012. So you're trying to say that it was competitive for just a year?

Of course that's bullshit.

> High power charging standards were around since 2012 at least.

And those standards (multiple) are? You're probably referring to Power Delivery which was finalised the year Lightning was released? Or the finally upgraded versions of Power Delivery that only appeared with USB-C (that mess of a standard where you don't even know if a cable is capable of doing anything)?