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by calderarrow 1155 days ago
This is a step in the right direction, and personally I think that low-level deposit accounts are ripe for serious competition. There are thousands of banks and credit unions (~9,000 if memory serves) all offering the same risk-free product, but the rates and fees can be wildly different.

The FDIC publishes some decent statistics about average yields for various deposit products.[0] As of March 2023, the national average for savings accounts was 0.37%. The largest banks (Wells, BoA, Chase, Citi) offer 0.01% interest. That's 1 penny for every $100 you loan them.

That low rate made sense when the federal funds rate was low as an incentive for banks to borrow from consumers rather than the government. But now the rate is almost 20x more than it was a year ago, so there's a larger incentive for banks to borrow from consumers.[1] This should drive more competitive rates offered for consumer deposits.

If you're earning less than 1% APY on your checking and savings account and have $1000 in it, spend an hour researching an alternative. Going from 0.01% to 1% alone would earn you $10 more per year on that amount. If you have $10k, that's an extra $100 for maybe an hour of your time.

[0] https://www.fdic.gov/resources/bankers/national-rates

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/fedfunds

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On a related note, I'm part of a team working on a service to monitor all the deposit rates across all financial institutions in the US in real time. If you're interested in learning more or signing up for the alpha launch (targeting Summer 2023), shoot us an email at bankrank.alpha@gmail.com

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I was holding a considerable sum for several months while putting offers on a house. TD Bank started contacting me proactively to sell me awful 'wealth management' services as soon as the wire hit my bank account. I asked if they could give me a better savings rate than <1%. They declined. I went with a credit union that was offering ~5% APY introductory offers. I netted $10k in interest over several months by transferring away from a major bank. I highly recommend it.
There is a reason the other banks do not offer more: A great deal of that money is locked up in long term, low interest assets. What do you think will happen if people try to take their money elsewhere?
If people take their money elsewhere, the banks can borrow from the fed, just at a higher rate. So in theory, they should be willing to increase their rate up to whatever the fed-rate is, minus some margin for the risk of dealing with lower sums of deposits.

There's a direct correlation between advertising spend and interest yields on deposit accounts, which is somewhat interesting. It seems like the optimal business model is to focus more on customer acquisition than customer retention, because these products are very sticky. Churn rate for deposit accounts is like 8%, which is crazy given the rate variance.

Banks can not borrow from the Fed arbitrarily. If people take their money elsewhere en masse, the banks fail. That is what happened to SV bank, for the same reason. If anything, you can argue the Fed can save all the banks, which is true, but undesirable.
There is a good reason other banks do not offer more. Their customers aren't savvy enough to find a less well marketed consumer bank, so they don't have to pay more. That's called profit my friend.
I'm a big fan of Fidelity's cash management account (CMA), mostly because I'm lazy and it strikes a good balance for me. https://www.fidelity.com/cash-management/faqs-cash-managemen...

+ Excellent wire and ACH support

+ Ability to invest in money market, treasury, or bonds directly from the account. And able to get someone on the phone to schedule recurring actions (e.g. ladders)

+ Decent "checking"-like features (ATM cash withdrawal with fee reimbursement, autopay, check deposit)

Essentially the only things it can't do are (1) Zelle & (2) deposit cash.

If those aren't needs you have, don't think there's a better solution with less effort.

Vanguard unfortunately got rid of its similar Advantage offering a few years ago. I hate now having two separate accounts at Vanguard—Cash Plus (essentially a high-yield savings account) and brokerage with sweep—yet neither offering checkwriting, when with Advantage I had sweep (with very competitive return) and checkwriting in one place.