[charcircuit]

>pushes for bad things like EME, FLoC and Topics API

EME is better than browsers having to implement their own proprietary APIs for DRM. If EME didn't exist DRM would still be used by sites like Netflix.

>FLoC and Topics API

These are better for privacy than learning interests by tracking via third party cookies. These are moves to retain the positive uses of the web while increasing people's privacy.

>At this point what is making the web a better platform?

WebGPU released recently and provided big speedups to GPU intensive use cases.

>but I don't think it's in Google's interests to push for that at all.

What's the benefits to users or server hosters? Will it improve the user experience? Reduce latency? Save costs? If peer to peer features provide value I don't see why they wouldn't be interested. Peer to peel has its own set of drawbacks so there are many uses where it isn't a good option.

[sanitycheck]

> If EME didn't exist DRM would still be used by sites like Netflix.

(Playing devil's advocate just a little here...)

...and maybe it'd be cumbersome/difficult/annoying for users, opening the door for big changes in the landscape.

Spotify-like streaming services for music (basically the same stuff everywhere, just choose where you get it from) only exist because they had to compete with the ease of getting DRM-free music free from P2P services.

The acceptance of easy standardised DRM for video has led to movie streaming services being the modern equivalent of the old cable networks. You want to watch X? You must subscribe to Netflix. But Y? Y is only available on Disney. Z? Amazon.

Personally I don't care. I've implemented EME and proprietary DRM playback numerous times, and I don't subscribe to any streaming services because I find 99% of TV/movies to be not worth my time. For people who do care though, EME is probably net negative.

[pjmlp]

> WebGPU released recently and provided big speedups to GPU intensive use cases.

On the contrary.

WebGL was going to get OpenGL ES compute shaders, contributed by Intel three years ago. Google blocked the effort with the reasoning WebGPU compute was around the corner. Again three years ago!

Due to politics between browser vendors, we have now yet another shading language to learn, and because Rust is fashionable, naturally it moves away from classical shading languages into a more Rust like syntax.

It arrived six years too late, so it represents Vulkan, Metal, DirectX when they were released in their version 1.0.

Still it doesn't fix the issue that after 10 years of WebGL, there is no reasonable debugging story and no Web games that can match PlayStation 3 graphics.

[rektide]

What an echo chamber. People are so desperate to hate, want to hate. Any outside view is just blasted away on this complex situations.

I do personally think p2p is absolutely key to unlocking a future where users are not so beholden. It creates a much more connected web, versus the ultra-federalized model. Yes there are drawbacks but simply turning our backs on connecting people, deciding the web is just going to stay hosted forever and ever, is a huge denial of galaxies of potential. We won't know how far we can go until we try, until we begin.