[version_five]

I can't really understand what's going on after a few minutes poking around (best I can tell an argument over attribution?), but I certainly sympathize with the project author having to deal with some stupid internet drama that takes away from a cool project. This seems to be one of the less-discussed challenges with popular open-source.

[ncann]

I found this summary from that thread:

https://rentry.org/Jarted

[Operyl]

Which Jart contests to some degree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35413289

[yazzku]

The blog post is a narcissistic cringe ride, and the PR did not give credit to the level this Slarin appears to have been involved. Also, the change seems to cause a performance regression in some cases, which someone had also pointed out. It seemed to optimize for the case where only a subset of the weights are needed at the expense of the case where all of them are eventually needed. Seems the kind of thing that should have been tested prior to checking in.

Overall, these people would be better off taking their drama on Twitter or LinkedIn. ggerganov did the right thing kicking them out.

[pantalaimon]

> @slaren made 7 commits in his fork, which @jart then squashed down into one

Good lord, it's terrible when the peanut gallery feels like they have to comment on development practice. Why would numbers of commits be a relevant metric in an Open Source project? Of course squashed commits are easier to handle during reabses and such, and when that work can be squashed to a single "initial mmap support" commit, then that's fine.

> @jart rewrote @slaren's code, which slaren wrote first

now this is just kindergarten level of arguments

[Zuiii]

Like it or not, they do offer a compelling argument though I personally don't care either way.

What I'd care more about is whether this issue had harmed the project in a technical way, which, unfortunately, it apparently has.

[bestcoder69]

Click the 4chan links and you’ll see in their own words what this was really about (trans maintainer, channers worried about their waifu bot getting cucked.) Most seem to not know what they’re talking about- some admit to being retarded. Highly suspicious of this being tech related.

Also note the stats on GH subscribers and stuff. This is a lolcow dossier…

Events like this make me glad I don’t contribute OSS. I’ll keep my coombots proprietary.

[EGreg]

I didn’t know Justine was trans. Her wikipedia article doesn’t mention it, and has another female middle name which suggests that her parents gave the names to her.

I am not much familiar with her work except the impressive Cosmopolitan / Redbean mentioned on HN in the past. But she seems to be quite a controversial figure that is for some weird technocracy and against democracy and leftists, despite being a leader in the zucotti park protests… in short, someone who is no stranger to drama and controversy, and actively courts it:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/01/occupying-...

[bestcoder69]

All true, stuff I didn’t like about her, but also ancient history (article is from 2014!)

And like I said, you can follow the links and see the brigade discussing something else entirely.

Personally I don’t want an OSS ecosystem that banishes trans people or people who had weird proto-alt-right politics pre-Trump. If you’re gonna banish anyone, banish the ones posing existential risks to projects by their brigading against contributors they don’t like.

[EGreg]

Yeah, I definitely prefer to be part of very inclusive and open OSS ecosystems, that do things in good faith.

I am not part of the YCombinator or West Coast ecosystem, but didn't it banish gay people with weird pro-alt-right politics pre-Trump, and then supported Trump? Like, for some reason there was a movement to banish Peter Thiel: https://mashable.com/article/peter-thiel-y-combinator

How do you feel about banishing people who simply admitted to voting for Proposition 8: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-mozilla...

If you take a look at a larger problem, you'll see that there is a lot of inconsistency with human welfare on a far larger scale.

Because this same system takes Saudi money a lot. The only moment of self-reflection came after one guy, Kashoggi, was killed: https://www.barrons.com/articles/saudi-arabia-tech-fundraisi...

But not the situation of millions of people in Yemen: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113852 ... https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/01/andreessen-horowitz-is-now...

The US military industrial complex was largely involved in airstrikes on Yemen, as the Washington Post revealed last year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...

As a country, we ignore the Yemen war, and are told to only clutch pearls about taking money from Russia due to the Ukraine war. I imagine that YC stopped taking Yuri Milner's money a decade ago, partly because of his ties to the Kremlin, but probably it was just a natural parting of ways eventually: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15631084

Anyway, just saying ... ecosystems aren't always perfect.

[bobbylarrybobby]

The issue is that mmap was unilaterally (or close to unilaterally) implemented and made the only way of loading files. Users do not have an option to continue to not use mmap.

[lostmsu]

Is there a reason not to?