[danielrpa]

I'm sure Eastern Europe is great, but if you want to remain in the US there are many other great places to live in the Midwest and American South. You do need a car, which is fine or even desirable for many people (like me).

[graderjs]

I agree. There's dozens of fantastic little cities in the USA, so many to explore. SF sucks, to be sure. Which is sad, because it didn't used to~~and has potential :( ! LA is great (unless you like to complain about traffic). But there's so so many options, and with remote work you should be fine. If your company has to be based in Silicon Valley tho for the Imperial Credits, then--whaddayagonnado? I guess.

[ozarker]

What cities are you guys talking about? My family and I are looking to move somewhere else in the next year or so

[graderjs]

I could only give places that pique my interest and seem good to me. But I don't know what you need specifically. I recommend you get on wikipedia and search a bunch of little places across multiple states, and also search google for things like, "Best towns to live in USA", or "greenest cities to live in USA", or "most outdoorsy cities to live in USA" to start getting lists and knowing more. That's how I started learning about it.

I also really enjoyed learning about all the little places, and it's a bonafide research rabbit hole if that's your sort of thing: weather, taxes, sports, politics, culture, economy, transport, food, history, lifestyle, geography. There's such variety and distinctness! I mean, you can cut the pie anyway you like and I bet there's somewhere in the US to suit you.

[danielrpa]

Atlanta - amazing suburbs if that's your thing. Not dirt cheap, but Forsyth county is reasonably priced and has amazing schools.

[scarface74]

Forsyth is okay as long as you’re not a minority who dares venture into the older parts of Forsyth and stay in the newer parts.

These folks aren’t all dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0

Source: I lived there from 2016 until last year and I still have a house there.

I moved out of state late last year.

I do love the burbs of Forsyth county though.

[graderjs]

You’re getting downvoted but this is a real thing: for instance, in Belfast, almost everybody is white, so if you’re not white, you’re probably gonna feel a little bit uncomfortable in some places. Just like if you’re white and you go live in the suburbs in Abu Dhabi maybe you’re gonna feel a little bit uncomfortable because you know you’re not part of the dominant race. This is just the unfortunate reality of humans as we are stupidly tribal and racist inherently.

[scarface74]

It’s not just about race though.

People moving into Forsyth over the last decade are transplants from up north and other parts of Atlanta are part of the “professional class” as the population has grown. They are the “college educated white suburban” group that have completely different attitudes than the people who have been in Forsyth forever.

[vel0city]

A few places I've lived / wouldn't mind living from what I've seen of them:

Overland Park, KS

Minneapolis, MN

Colorado Springs, CO

Plano/McKinney/North Dallas, TX

Asheville, NC

Cincinnati, OH

Cleveland, OH

Bellingham, WA

[greedo]

I would recommend looking for a city that has a decent size college or university.

[yesimahuman]

Madison, WI. Love it here and built our company here. But you need to be able to handle cold and snow.

[blantonl]

New Orleans! /s

[selimthegrim]

New Orleans?

[gonehome]

Way more crazy people in LA imo.

SF is a pretty nice place, but you have to avoid tenderloin and soma.

[graderjs]

Yeah, I mean there’s definitely crazy people in LA but they’re not all crazy homeless mentally ill vagrant criminals on the streets late at night sometimes the crazy people are the people you meet in a bar: the crazy Asian girl who you happen to a few seats from, who is drunk, starts slurring at you then when you ignore her slaps you out of nowhere, and has to be taken away by her friends. The bartender apologizes… but that would be assault If a guy did it…girls get away with that shit, with a shrug: “she’s drunk” as if it makes it okay, when it doesn’t. Not a good lesson for people. Or the crazy white who starts chatting to you while you’re playing pool, who’s trying to pretend he knows you but has no clue and starts rambling saying he’s spreading rumors to ruin peoples reputations in China, in Thailand, in Australia.

But even with such nutcases, who you can safely ignore, because they’re just out of their heads clearly, I really like LA.

I find the street people in LA are not as dirty or aggressive as the worst street people in San Francisco. It’s like a Street people in LA still see you is kind of kin. But the street people in San Francisco: you guys are on two sides of divide like you’re from different worlds.

I remember Street people from both cities but I can’t remember like the specific places. I just recall that during the day, San Francisco is a lot worse than LA. More street people more aggressive, more dirty.

This was pre-pandemic, though, so maybe things have changed a lot. Hopefully for the better in all aspects!

[prottog]

The typical reaction I get about the Midwest and the South from coastal people is basically "eeeww".

[ericmay]

Much more likely to die or be seriously injured in a car accident. People get shot and stabbed in Midwestern cities too.

Not to say there aren’t great places to live in the rest of the US. Aside from the sometimes idiotic politics at the statehouse I’ve been fine living in Ohio, for example.

[themaninthedark]

Accidents are just that accidents.

Not saying that we should not try to mitigate and and reduce them.

Shootings, stabbings and muggings are things that require intention.

Unless he accidentally fell on the knife 37 times...

[ericmay]

Well let's not trivialize accidents either. They're still unnecessary and they can be intentional. Off the top of my head the number of road rage incidents involving violence is around 100/200 per year and stabbings are around 1,000. Road rage numbers are increasing as well.

In terms of probability of getting hurt, car crashes dwarf being stabbed so a flight to safety that requires more driving is almost surely increasing your odds of being harmed. Likely the numbers are underreported as well. But headlines get attention. Family of four t-boned in an intersection by a drunk driver just doesn't get the clicks that CTO stabbed in San Francisco does.

Not to say there aren't problems, of course.

[prepend]

The risks aren’t exclusive, they are additive.

Car accident risk exists in both places, the stabbing risk is higher in some.

[ericmay]

Yes but you're not applying the weights correctly.

[RockyMcNuts]

every socioeconomic map of the US looks like this tho https://twitter.com/amazingmap/status/1642644670160175105

[shagmin]

Not saying this is wrong, but it's kind of misleading the same way electoral college maps are misleading. People moving to the south working in tech aren't moving to the vast areas that are plagued with issues. They're moving to metros like Austin, Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, etc., which are on par with life expectancy in California in that map.

[RockyMcNuts]

fair enough ... or Miami ... you're still talking about states where there's lively debate about banning books, banning abortion, putting the 10 commandments and creationism in every classroom (and guns), making it effectively legal to shoot certain people or run them down with your car ... places with not-great schools and health care and culture, with cops and 'community orgs' dedicated to keeping certain people in their place. if you're a tech company and want to attract the best and brightest without regard for color or creed, women, lgbtq, people who think and look different, it's an issue, even if it's in a comparative island of receptivity.

[prottog]

> making it effectively legal to shoot certain people or run them down with your car

> cops and 'community orgs' dedicated to keeping certain people in their place

Come now, that's as exaggerated as saying coastal states have no law enforcement anymore and have taxpayer-funded abortion factories. If there is such a thing as drinking Fox News koolaid, what you're saying is the MSNBC equivalent.

Do you spend a lot of time in the South? I live in a Deep South state as an immigrant and visible ethnic minority. People of different races get along very well here. I used to live in a major coastal metropolis that had BLM signs on every other lawn but effectively zero black people actually living in those neighborhoods. Here? Effectively zero BLM signs, but black and white and other races rubbing shoulders as neighbors every day.

For the past few decades, if you asked black professional athletes what city they were most likely to face overt racism in, it was Boston, not a Southern city.

[RockyMcNuts]

I hear you, I don't live in South but I know people who do, and I see a lot of the mentality of, shoot first, ask questions later, and it goes exponential where someone who looks different is involved

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/san-antonio-...

https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/dashcam-shows-florida-man-open...

[prottog]

I don't disagree that people should keep cooler heads all around. Perhaps it's the miserable humid heat that drives all that behavior (and it's been observed all around the world that hot weather is correlated with more murders).

Your two anecdotes, by the way, show no evidence that the people involved were of different races.