[hypertele-Xii]

I was born when the Soviet Union fell. All my childhood I watched media like James Bond and played games like Command & Conquer about Russian invasion, saw my extended family suffer the generational trauma of war, and being male, am forced by threat of imprisonment to personally accept social responsibility for sacrificing my life defending our country from Russian invasion,

I'm pretty fucking relieved the nightmare is over.

Just hoping we can prevent WW3, or at the very least win it together.

[philistine]

I think you forgot the only Bond movies who dealt with direct Soviet threats were :

- From Russia With Love (Rosa Klebb secretly works for SPECTRE but is a KGB operative so let's count it)

- Octopussy (vilain's a defector)

- The Living Daylights (defector also)

It's in Goldeneye that is created the idea that James Bond constantly fought the Soviets. I don't fault you for thinking that it's an easy thing to illustrate your point, but I like my James Bond and I like him because he's always fighting weirdo rich assholes, not the Soviets.

[hypertele-Xii]

I didn't forget anything. The Command & Conquer series has other themes too. Doesn't invalidate my point.

[foverzar]

> I'm pretty fucking relieved the nightmare is over.

Ouch. Genuinely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everything I know about politics (especially from Russian perspective) tells me that this is only the beginning and uncorking of a potential conflict.

I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

> WW3, or at the very least win it together.

Eh, there will be no winner in WWIII - only how much everyone loses before they decide to strike some kind of eventual deal. And IMO the WWIII had already started by the modern military standards of multi-domain operations.

[The_Colonel]

> I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Neutrality is no protection against aggression. Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

[foverzar]

> Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

According to your link in the other thread, that is assuming it was "ruthlessly" occupied by NATO.

In any case, the "end the game for everyone button" example seems like a poor choice. How did Austria actually fare during the Cold War? I honestly don't know too much about Austrian-Soviet relationships except for a few trade deals.

[tasuki]

Is there a list somewhere?

[The_Colonel]

No list, but some details are here: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/vienna-top-of-soviet-n...

[dralley]

>I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied. Georgia, invaded (2008) and occupied. Ukraine, invaded (2014, 2022) and occupied.

Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland: Not invaded, not occupied.

[foverzar]

> Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied

> Moldova, independence from the Soviet Union (27 August 1991), constitution adopted (29 July 1994)

I genuinely wonder what is the source of that list. I assume "invasion" of 1990 is the Transnistria War?

[dralley]

Yes.

[ml83]

do you know that Moldova was "invaded" by Russians and Ukrainians together?