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by foverzar 1176 days ago
> I'm pretty fucking relieved the nightmare is over.

Ouch. Genuinely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everything I know about politics (especially from Russian perspective) tells me that this is only the beginning and uncorking of a potential conflict.

I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

> WW3, or at the very least win it together.

Eh, there will be no winner in WWIII - only how much everyone loses before they decide to strike some kind of eventual deal. And IMO the WWIII had already started by the modern military standards of multi-domain operations.
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The_Colonel 1176 days ago
> I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Neutrality is no protection against aggression. Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

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foverzar 1175 days ago
> Vienna was famously one of the first targets for Soviet nuclear strike.

According to your link in the other thread, that is assuming it was "ruthlessly" occupied by NATO.

In any case, the "end the game for everyone button" example seems like a poor choice. How did Austria actually fare during the Cold War? I honestly don't know too much about Austrian-Soviet relationships except for a few trade deals.

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tasuki 1176 days ago
Is there a list somewhere?
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The_Colonel 1176 days ago
No list, but some details are here: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/vienna-top-of-soviet-n...
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dralley 1176 days ago
>I assume, you do not expect that NATO membership would put Finland into a direct hot confrontation with Russia, thus turning into a kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied. Georgia, invaded (2008) and occupied. Ukraine, invaded (2014, 2022) and occupied.

Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland: Not invaded, not occupied.

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foverzar 1175 days ago
> Moldova, invaded (1990) and occupied

> Moldova, independence from the Soviet Union (27 August 1991), constitution adopted (29 July 1994)

I genuinely wonder what is the source of that list. I assume "invasion" of 1990 is the Transnistria War?

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dralley 1175 days ago
Yes.
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ml83 1174 days ago
do you know that Moldova was "invaded" by Russians and Ukrainians together?
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