[zidad]

Or even don't be associated with.

As someone who used to visit the west bank for work I've spent many hours in intimidating interrogation, appropriated laptops, missed flights and most recently 3 days in a horrible prison without access to a shower or fresh clothing, after being denied access to the country for completely nonsense reasons. And the security argument is complete BS most of the time, NGO employees get the same kind of treatment.

The Ben Gurion approach really only works well if the border personnel likes you, A.K.A you're of the right ethnicity, which is not a shining example of how it's done right IMO.

[andreiii]

Ethnicity is irrelevant actually. Don't be associated with trouble makers.

[zidad]

I don't associate with trouble makers, that's your racist bias. I work with palestinian students and software developers.

[HopenHeyHi]

It is a degrees of separation thing. Logically derived and proven to be effective. Very hard to argue with the last part.

I understand how someone who has been inconvienced might perceive it differently but that in and of itself is by design and "priced in" as the goal is not to make 100% of travelers feel good but rather keep 100% of travelers safe.

[hobo_in_library]

Brilliant

All policies are fine as long as they only hurt Arabs and Arab-sympathizers (which are just synonyms for "terrorist").

Thank goodness policies like these never hurt Jews when applied in reverse.

[zidad]

So if it's for the safety of the travelers how logical is it that half of these "inconveniences" happen AFTER the actual flight?

[orangepurple]

What????

[HopenHeyHi]

Understand that none of the counter measures are derived from hypotheticals.

For example, one of the questions asked is "did you pack your own suitcase?"

They aren't going to search your suitcase because of your race. That would be bad. It is bad not because of touchy feely reasons but rather because it isn't optimally effective.

They search based on a far more sophisticated probabilistic threat model based on real world data. All the questions and the way they are asked have logic behind them. It works.

Does that answer your indignation noises?

[zidad]

They absolutely search your suitcase purely based on race/appearance. Given how often I've sat in the interrogation rooms with EU passport holders with an arab background, and they really only came over to visit the beach.

How you justify racial profiling, only show that you are completely clueless to what it's like being racially profiled ALL the time.