[xwkd]

This is excellent bait, and I'll take it.

You (hopefully) know as well as I do that twerking with Megan Thee Stallion is more of a "yas queen" than a "does this please you, viewer?"

The thing that takes an ostensibly (lol) enticing sexual act and turns it into an "ewwww" is when it's wrapped up in a big box emblazoned with the letters "POLITICAL POWER PLAY." Oh yes please, that's exactly what I want, serve me some tits and ass with a side of "why are you threatened by strong women?"

I like a hate-fuck as much as the next guy, but I'm kind of tired of being hatefucked by the media industry. To call this stuff propaganda is an insult to propaganda. At least propaganda has to be smart. This is just the writers and artists' daddy issues on full display. We all know it, and this hatred of the simple straight male has infected everything.

[happytoexplain]

I disagree harshly with the parent, but I think your point of view is much more damaging. The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes, personality flaws, or political psychology plays to simply shoehorn booty-shaking into their superhero show (Occam's razor). I think your layering-on of all these other horrible things is actually indicative of a much more hateful attitude than the one you are accusing them of.

[Chris2048]

> The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes

True, but if we take She-Hulk as an example, all the other stuff in the movie imply they do. In other words, they didn't simply shoehorn in booty-shaking, but rather included it in a political context.

If you disagree these layers exist, please, engage with the discussion and reason why - but simply gaslighting the poster, and implying they have a "hateful attitude" is itself a political play.

[xwkd]

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[happytoexplain]

I'm not. The kinds of things that people say that you are probably thinking of when you make a criticism like in your original post absolutely are real and deserve your criticism (in fact, I'd put jrm4's tone in that category!) - but over-applying that criticism does harm to a position that is justified in other contexts. Remember, when you see somebody (e.g. maybe a writer or fan for a show...) make a criticism of a group you are a member of, they are sometimes referring to something truly deserving of criticism. Always try to keep your criticisms as focused as possible in turn, to avoid the vicious cycle of political/social hatred (especially in the context of fictional media, where it produces a tone that is particularly obnoxious/petty).

[jrm4]

Of course.

But, I mean, we've now REALLY entered Rorschach-blot-test territory.

I think where you and I might agree: yes, that probably isn't much about "sexiness" but "power."

And that's about as far as our agreement goes, I think. I don't really have a problem with it. Perhaps, you're so vain, I bet you think that "yas queen" is about you?

[xwkd]

Again, excellent trolling. I commend you.

[jrm4]

This is such a weird thing to say. I genuinely don't understand what about I'm saying makes you think I'm "trolling?"

If anything, I find the idea of booty-shake cut-scenes as being remotely connected to anything called "political" extremely silly? Like, sure, it's not about "hey boys look at us," but instead "Go 'head, girl, do your thing!"

Seriously -- where does the concept of "politics" fit here? Even in the BROADEST sense of the term, it's just a (to me funny, because, you know -- booty-shake empowerment?) "hey girl" kind of thing?