[imiric]

I think GP is delusional, but you're not seriously suggesting Latin American countries vilify the US for no reason, right?

US interventions in Latin American affairs are well documented[1].

You can't just kick the can to Spain, when the US had a much more direct and recent involvement. It doesn't seem you learned much from your time there, as this history is discussed openly and known in detail, from school children to people who actually lived it. The resentment towards the US is very well deserved, in most cases.

Regardless, this is not a thread about the US, so let's not feed GP's whataboutism, and keep acknowledging how evil China is.

[1]: https://faculty.chass.ncsu.edu/slatta/hi216/hi453time.htm

[RedCondor]

It's fitting that you tried to cozy up to that American guy by 1) demonizing a fellow Latin American, a 2) regurgitating American lies you've heard about China and never scrutinized, and that your reward for it was being treated like a still-too-uppity subject.

Maybe one day you'll strike out on your own.

[robomartin]

> you're not seriously suggesting Latin American countries vilify the US for no reason

I am stating an absolute fact:

In LATAM, blaming others for everything is a national sport. And the US is a favorite bad guy. I can't tell you how many times I have heard this in person in the context of social gatherings, local news and even government/political party communications.

The point is they blame it all on the US. Always.

I did not say the US and other nations have no fault at all. There are subtle and not-so-subtle dynamics at play here.

It's funny how is never their fault. Ever. I guess these are all perfectly run nations and big-bad-USA comes in and fucks them up all the time. Otherwise, it's pink unicorns and bubble-gum for everyone. Right.

World politics being what they are, yes, of course, countries will take advantage of each other when possible. There is no way to claim any nation is without fault in any comparison. Today, China is taking advantage of LATAM in more ways than one...and the people actually think it is a good thing.

The other thing you have to remember is that LATAM governments have been corrupt forever. Entire generations of political families have enriched themselves and their extended circles at the expense of the people and countries. They make deals with countries like the US and international corporations and then turn-around and royally shaft the entire nation. The easiest way to explain things not working when you steal hundreds of millions of dollars and ruin the country is to blame others.

Stories abound of LATAM governments inviting external investment only to later nationalize the companies boosted by this investment and kicking the investors out. They appoint brothers, cousins, family members, extended allies, military leaders to run and pillage the companies and enrich the ecosystem that supports them. Then they turn around and blame others, the US, the IMF, anyone.

I mean, the military government of Argentina invented an entire war over islands nobody gave a shit about just to defocus from the horrors they created.

So, yes, blaming the US for everything isn't only unfair, it's stupid. These countries would have done far better over time had they made an effort to create solid lasting partnerships with the US. Quite a few of these countries could have been manufacturing hubs for world products. That requires focus, hard work, dedication, stability and more. The US and Europe would have gladly outsourced such work to LATAM nations. It didn't happen because the corruption in these nations turned them into sad circus acts everyone took advantage of whenever they could. I know it hurts to put it this way, yet this is the truth.

Trust is a delicate thing. Once you lose it, the only people who are going to engage with you are those who are going to ensure ROI by taking every possible advantage. And you have zero negotiating power. Once again, I point to what China is doing in LATAM.

> You can't just kick the can to Spain, when the US had a much more direct and recent involvement.

Not kicking that can so Spain at all. Spain's legacy is a culture of corruption and a range of social issues Gloria Alvarez discusses in detail in the video I posted. I have not been able to find a version in English, sorry.

[gyaru]

> The point is they blame it all on the US. Always.

Maybe because historically the US has been behind a lot of things?

> Trust is a delicate thing. Once you lose it,

Exactly, people simply do not trust the US in countries where they have meddled in. Rightfully.

Ridiculous to make this into a sob story about people vilifying the US "unfairly".

[robomartin]

You are missing the important point: The blame for all negative outcomes in LATAM is alway, always, always outward-facing.

If you observe what they are saying you’d think these are perfect societies where everyone would have pink unicorns and bubble gum, were it not for external evil actors. And, of course, the US and the IMF are at the top of the blame list.