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by dang 1194 days ago
"Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

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I'm sorry for any trouble I caused here. I have no affiliation with the company, but just came across this company/its post and thought "Interesting! I wonder what HN readers will think."
Not your fault -- the title you put on it wasn't unreasonable, it's just that tensions are running high and there is a tremendous amount of mistrust out there. I think dang's guidance is really good in general: by using the title on the piece, you let the piece speak for itself. And there's definitely a reason I didn't title the piece this way!
It's ok! Your good intention is clear and you didn't cause trouble.
I notice the editorialized headline still stands as of now, when usually it is reverted to the actual article title. Is there a reason this case?
We edit the title if the thread is salvageable, but in this case the comments were so skewed by the editorialized title that I just buried the thread.

Titles are by far the biggest influence on discussion so this rule is pretty important. There are borderline cases, but I don't think this was one.

That's a really interesting observation. I was trying to figure out when the tenor of the comments was so hot (especially relative to the two previous times this piece has been discussed on HN), and it didn't occur to me the title may very well have played a role -- but on reading the comments here (and especially, the fixation on the number), that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for burying the thread; there was more heat than light on this one for sure!
> especially, the fixation on the number

Oh yes! - that's a whole other level to this. pg figured that out 15+ years ago*:

If the title contains a gratuitous number or number + adjective, we'd appreciate it if you'd crop it. E.g. translate "10 Ways To Do X" to "How To Do X," and "14 Amazing Ys" to "Ys." Exception: when the number is meaningful, e.g. "The 5 Platonic Solids." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Excessive specificity has almost a hypnotic effect on the mind, and group effects compound that.

* not quite - looks like some time between March 2009 (https://web.archive.org/web/20090324091356/http://ycombinato... - no number rule) and July 2009 (https://web.archive.org/web/20090712034454/http://ycombinato... - number rule). Someone should make an Internet Archive binary search service...

Thanks for explaining! For future reference: would it have been OK if the post had the same title, but I left the URL box empty and placed the URL in the Text box along with a few sentences for context?
Good question! The answer is no—text posts are actually penalized to prevent that scenario—they're downweighted by default, and don't have live links by default. From the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html:

Q: How do I make a link in a text submission?

A: You can't. This is to prevent people from submitting a link with their comments in a privileged position at the top of the page. If you want to submit a link with comments, just submit it, then add a regular comment.

On HN, the idea is that submitters shouldn't have any special right to frame the story for others. They're welcome to express their opinion, of course, but it should be done in a comment, because then it's on a level playing field with everyone else's opinion.