[threeseed]

Their arguments really are ridiculous.

It ignores the fact that climate change is disproportionally going to affect Africa and that doing nothing does not mean the status quo remains for nomadic tribes.

It means more desertification, less grazing area and greater poverty.

[DrThunder]

Sources please. AFIK there is no conclusive data out there backing the idea Africa will just turn into MORE desert from climate change.

I'd also like you to provide data showing green energy initiatives will reverse this trend anytime in the near future.

Africa is an already impoverished nation, how does greater grazing area help them? Are they going to use it for large amounts of livestock they can sell/slaughter? Is that making them less impoverished right now?

What will make Africa less poor is a lot of infrastructure, likely built off the back of fossil fuels. You know.. they same way all western nations industrialized and got to the point they could sit around worrying about whether they were hurting the environment instead of worrying about whether they have enough dung to burn so they can keep warm.

[ta1243]

> Africa is an already impoverished nation

I have no idea what you're on about. Africa isn't an impoverished nation, nor is it a wealthy nation.

The nations in Africa have a GDP per capita ranging from about $1k (way less than Haiti and Afghanistan) to nearly $40k (similar to Croatia and Greece)

[AnIrishDuck]

The IPCC fact sheet on Africa [1] confirms the core point of the GP: Africa has been and will continue to be disproportionately affected by climate change.

The African _continent_ would be best served by every possible acceleration of green energy initiatives that would hold climate change below 2 degrees (an increasingly unlikely goal).

There has been continuous hypocrisy in the West over climate change. But burning fossil fuels to do ??? development would pull Africa deeper into the trap it's already in; a trap of wealthy country's making.

1. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/downloads/outreach/IPCC_A...

[DrThunder]

Please provide an example of an industrialized nation that became industrialized exclusively from "green" energy.

[twelve40]

I think they are referring specifically to the local tribes, for whom yes it might be a problem.

[DrThunder]

Yes... and you think putting windmills and solar panels on their grazing land won't be an issue?

I'll ask again, how does this get them out of "poverty"????

[taskforcegemini]

projects like the green wall exist for a reason