[wkat4242]

TV shows are about human life and sexuality is as much part of life as anything. A lot more than violence. I do also wish this wasn't such a taboo.

But the US is far from the only country that's so sensitive about it. Pornography in China is forbidden, in India is very iffy. In Islamic countries it can be extremely illegal.

Even in the Netherlands where I'm from movies have become a lot more prudish since the 70s/80s.

[searealist]

The parent comment wants to incorporate hardcore porn into all content. People watch hardcore porn to become turned on. Having hardcore porn in all content leads to either being turned on to the detriment of the rest of the movie or becoming desensitized to the detriment of their real world sex life.

You treat "It's part of human life therefore it should be on screen" as an axiom. But it's worth stepping back and considering other viewpoints.

[wkat4242]

I don't think the parent was suggesting putting hardcore porn in general content. They were just referring to a time with less strict morals and mentioned some mainstream entertainment titles of the era.

I was just using pornography to illustrate the even stricter morals outside the western world. But like the parent comment I'd also wish we'd loosen up a bit.

[searealist]

The parent comment originally advocated putting hardcore porn into all content, but was edited.

[echelon]

> The parent comment originally advocated putting hardcore porn into all content, but was edited.

That's a mischaracterization if I've ever seen one. My comment was originally written as this:

> Twitter and Reddit have shown that the population doesn't care if porn is mixed in with everything else. [Including hardcore porn.] It's fine, it's fun, and it's harmless.

I originally stated that Twitter and Reddit include hardcore porn as well. My intention was to demonstrate that nobody gives a fuck that that these websites depict humans having sex (because they don't). Reddit nor Twitter makes any attempt to scrub sexual content because that would be suicide. Tumblr is an excellent example of how prudishness sucks the life out of the things it latches onto.

These are major platforms people use at work and school and include as a normal part of day to day conversation. Journalists and academics use these platforms. Brands use them. Nobody gives a damn that they feature nudity or porn, or even (gasp) nude bodies moving in pleasurable ways.

HBO and Netflix already show boobs, penises, and vaginas. Recently, Netflix's "Sex/Life" showed a CG enhanced 10-inch prosthetic penis that blew up on social media [1]. Again, nobody cares. (Actually, they do care -- they love it, and they love to talk about it. My wife and all of her friends were talking about it all week.) It's a natural and normal part of human interest and entertainment.

The point of my comment was to show only a small percentage of the country gets wound up about this. People were thrilled that Game of Thrones was edgy and racy and sexy. That it wasn't just more violence.

It's time for those of us that aren't offended by basic human anatomy to move on from the prudishness and push our art forward. We're limited and held back when we can't invoke that dimension of humanity.

In any case, I edited my comment after I saw yours. You latched onto a three word sentence ("Including hardcore porn") and spun a wholly different argument. I didn't want the thread to get derailed further, and this simple observation didn't contribute at all to the substance of my argument.

"Hardcore", for the uninformed, does not equal "fetish". It's just intercourse.

Let me make my argument simple: it's okay for social media and films to show boobs, penises, and vaginas. Very few people care, and it's not going to kill anybody.

[1] https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sex-life-shower-scene-going-...

[searealist]

> Twitter and Reddit have shown that the population doesn't care if porn is mixed in with everything else. [Including hardcore porn.] It's fine, it's fun, and it's harmless.

But "hardcore porn" was not an add on sentence, it was subject of first sentence.

I didn't "latch" onto anything. Your entire premise is that there should be more hardcore porn in content and anyone who disagrees must be some prudish WASP. I am not saying hardcore porn in itself is a fetish. I am saying wanting it to be a part of otherwise non-pornographic material is a fetish.

[fleddr]

In the 80s/90s, on Dutch TV we'd have daytime deodorant commercials on public channels featuring naked women applying the product.

Wasn't even considered sexual content, and in no way shielded from kids either. The context isn't sexual, and it's a perfectly normal body part.

The sexualization of the human body is nothing but a cultural invention.

[bogomipz]

I'm curious why and when did those go away exactly on Dutch TV?

[fleddr]

I only have speculative answers on offer...

Somehow the sexual revolution of the 60s/70s running out of steam, and a correction taking place. A growing influence of American culture as well as Muslim immigrants, both more conservative. And perhaps feminism changing course.

[bogomipz]

Interesting. I think those are all very plausible and yet oddly we also now live in a hyper-sexualized mainstream advertising culture in the West.

[dagw]

now live in a hyper-sexualized mainstream advertising culture

I don't know. I feel that advertising is a lot less sexualized now, compared to the 80s and 90s when I was growing up in Scandinavia and the UK.

[wkat4242]

Yeah I remember an ad for crispbread with a boat full of naked Swedish ladies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHdeqBUtR9E (NSFW obviously)

This would really not fly in this day and age.