[bmitc]

The west has its own problems, but today's China is not yesteryear's China. China is doing and has done plenty of things in other countries. They are installing mass surveillance systems in Africa, building out African infrastructure as a sort of diplomatic capture by dept, literally stealing land from Nepal and others by building Chinese centers for villages on the edge but making sure they annex bits of land each time, literally stealing land (in the most literal sense possible) by digging up sand in Taiwanese islands, harassing Japanese islands, stealing other countries' fish such as in South American waters, stealing the worlds' intellectual property, literally cutting Vietnam's internet off, etc. They are not the "ah shucks, we stick to our borders" country they say they are.

[epolanski]

There's so much to debate in your list, it's just not worth it.

Do you know where Italian fisheries are all of the time? North African and turkish coasts. African debt? We're kings of it as of stealing every african resource and abusing those people. Spying, really? You even barely aware how far we go with that?

The problem with modern geopolitics is that very few lead by the example.

[bmitc]

> The problem with modern geopolitics is that very few lead by the example.

That is effectively the point.

[phist_mcgee]

Whataboutism at its finest always seems to appear in china vs west discussions.