[tokinonagare]

> Nothing pisses me off more than journals charging thousands for access.

Wait until you hear about the last publisher fuckery: APC (article processing charges). For those outside the publishing loop, a lot of journals are now publishing papers under an open licence BUT authors have to paid a huge (often in the thousand or more) sum to get the article published. Since whole journals are now "open", this isn't negotiable. In the end it means journals are still taking a lot of institutions money, just in another way, and blocking access to people like me who are trying to publish papers on their own.

[shellfishgene]

I've come to think this is actually a large problem. In the subscription model the prices were paid for longer time periods, like yearly, and publishing was free. The bills went to librarians who managed everything professionally and had a good overview. This showed clearly in the conflict between 'Project DEAL' and Elsevier the last few years, where a bunch of German Universities and Institutes started collective bargaining to get prices down, and even stopped subscribing for a while.

Now the bills go to individual researchers who often don't even publish with a specific journal more than once every couple of years. I doubt anyone will keep track how much publishing fees increase. Also it's not really the case that there is much competition, if you can get your paper into a high-ranked journal you don't send it elsewhere to save 500$ or something. Also it used to be that the library subscription budget was clearly defined to the University or institute, now the APCs often come out of one of the many research grants.

My bet is that the APCs will increase much faster than the subscription fees did.

[tokinonagare]

This. And also the fact that read access can in most case be easily bypassed using Sci-Hub (or LibGen for books), while I don't see a way to get around APCs.

[shellfishgene]

The way around high APCs is to start non-profit journals, and it really irks me that the supposedly smartest elite on this planet still gives their research funds away to for-profit publishers and their shareholders.

[ClumsyPilot]

> supposedly smartest elite

Smartest maybe, but elite?

We as a society do not treat researchers as elite. They are paid shit, they spend half their time filling in meaning less papers to get grant funding, they have no political influece, media does not give them airtime or ask their opinion on critical issues. They have a modicum of respect and thats about all.

Maybe we should treat them better.

[swyx]

pardon if this is ignorant but i mean now that arxiv is well established, what is the barrior to “publish papers on your own” if you dont particularly care about the journal reputation (and those that do probably dont pull this kind of scummy stunt)

[tokinonagare]

I would be as happy so just share a PDF on my website and send it to people who care but if I want to go back in academia somedays I need "real" publications and those are count by universities administration only when done in existing journals and conferences count (also arxiv et al. are not used in the fields I could publish in).