[rodrigobellusci]

Since you bring up React in your example, which framework should one use to build better performing web apps?

I know React tends to lack in both dev UX and performance (at least in my exp). Personally I've taken a look at Svelte and Solid, and liked them both. I haven't had the chance to build anything larger than a toy app, though.

[datavirtue]

I recently tried Vue 3 at a startup for a new app. A few days after starting it I rewrote a personal Svelte app in Vue 3 since I found it so fluid (Composition API w/ script setup). I was liking Svelte before that.

[rodrigobellusci]

Oh that's interesting! Will definitely keep Vue 3 in mind for future then.

[antoineMoPa]

Vue could also be an option, but I personally want to learn some Solid, as I see it could be preferred by the current mass of React frontend developers, more than Svelte and Vue. The syntax and philosophy of Solid looks closer to React, while having a stronger focus on performance.

[bcrosby95]

Okay, I'll bite: does Vue perform better than React? Your post makes no mention of this, I don't know if it does, and offering it as an alternative due to performance reasons, without knowing this, seems a tad premature.

[antoineMoPa]

In my personal experience, the Vue apps I've worked on have been snappier. There are some fast React apps out there, but I think a lot of work goes into optimizing React apps, versus Vue being pretty fast by default.

When react introduced hooks, it was fun for a while, but then we discovered the frequent re-render issues and had to change the way we think when building components and refactor old components. We have to manually wrap components in useMemo. This is the kind of things Vue has avoided me so far and React let me down. React relies on running all render methods instead of doing granular updates, I think this hurts performance. Vue listens to property changes and can perform granular updates.

[antoineMoPa]

I kind of want to amend that! I discovered today that maybe there is hope with granular update libraries such as Jotai, @preact/signals-react and recoiljs.

[jay_kyburz]

You should just try working directly in HTML.

[eropple]

I look forward to returning to the days where everybody wrote their own slightly-to-significantly-wrong state management tooling while being distracted by the minutiae of DOM wrangling. That was a good time.

(It was not. It was why I stopped doing frontend work.)

[nottorp]

Perhaps ... it's the underlying platform's fault?

[eropple]

Yeah, but it's the one we've got. As much as people want to sniff about it, that bell isn't getting un-rung for more, perhaps most, use cases--on balance things are better where we're at now.

[rodrigobellusci]

For sure, I've been trying to cut down on dependencies and JS where possible.

I'm curious to give WebComponents a try as well.

[DeathArrow]

We are using Vue instead of React reasons being both performance and simplicity.