[jay_kyburz]

You should just try working directly in HTML.

[eropple]

I look forward to returning to the days where everybody wrote their own slightly-to-significantly-wrong state management tooling while being distracted by the minutiae of DOM wrangling. That was a good time.

(It was not. It was why I stopped doing frontend work.)

[nottorp]

Perhaps ... it's the underlying platform's fault?

[eropple]

Yeah, but it's the one we've got. As much as people want to sniff about it, that bell isn't getting un-rung for more, perhaps most, use cases--on balance things are better where we're at now.

[rodrigobellusci]

For sure, I've been trying to cut down on dependencies and JS where possible.

I'm curious to give WebComponents a try as well.