[jcampbell1]

In the risk of being down voted to hell, this whole thing seems completely misguided to me. I love the product that hollywood produces. I love great movies and great TV. I frankly think "The Wire" is the best example of story telling I know of. I can think of nothing that silicon valley has produced that even comes close. If Zynga disappeared tomorrow, I could care less, and Hollywood and Zynga are both selling entertainment. Zynga's entertainment value is less than worthless to me. I hope hollywood continues to be a massively successful industry in the hope that the next David Simon is created.

[andrewcooke]

you're missing the point completely. any replacement has to succeed because it's better than hollywood. something even more awesome will come along and replace it.

the argument is not "lets all share files until they go bankrupt"; it's "there is change afoot; whoever can make the awesomest, most loved art / entertainment of the next wave will win big".

you're not a special flower. the stuff you like is mass market. you will like even more whatever comes next - if you didn't, then it wouldn't be the next big thing. the argument is self-fulfilling; yc simply wants to be the one that makes money on it. don't be mislead by the macho "killing" rhetoric.

[raganwald]

> any replacement has to succeed because it's better than hollywood. something even more awesome will come along and replace it

Don’t forget, when it comes along, it will probably appear to be worse than hollywood, just as text messaging is worse than email and email is worse than an express envelope.

That’s the nature of a disruption. It’s obviously worse. Until, after the fact, everyone suddenly claims it’s so much better.

[easp]

It's worth keeping in mind that The Wire is a product of HBO, and cable TV. They are now well established, but they were once upstarts in their own way.

HBO got its start showing rewarmed mainstream Hollywood movies, months or more after their theatrical releasee. This though was enough to make them one of the few bright spots on the vast wasteland of Gilligan's Island and Bewitched reruns that was cable TV. For that, cable operators were able to extract a premium. From there, they branched out into various bits of original programming.

Then came original programming like Oz, Sopranos, the Wire. This was TV that people regarded as art, and as art, superior to anything on network television and hollywood movies.

Other examples to consider, early Miramax and Merchant/Ivory.

[jamesgatz]

"there is change afoot; whoever can make the awesomest, most loved art / entertainment of the next wave will win big"

I think the reason this ycomb call to action is going to fizzle out is because all you excited engineers keep using this language - "art" or "entertainment."

Hollywood doesn't produce entertainment. It tells stories. It's an industry of stories. Stories are deep and primal. Entertainment is distraction.

Despite having terrible profit margins (4-9%), six companies have had a lock-down on narrative film production for nearly 100 years. It's one of the most stable industries in the country. The initial ycomb call to action is probably the most misguided thing I've seen them release. Trying to beat back the most efficient and long lasting storytelling machine of all time with "entertainment" is like trying to dam the colorado river with a cheese cloth.

[rdouble]

Moonbot studios and their iPad interactive books might be a model for the next wave of storytelling entertainment. Although, the people doing those are film veterans, and an obvious exit would be a sale of the company to Disney... so it might not change much.

[Retric]

Farm ville is silicon valley's equivalent to Survivor, massive popular appeal zero actual substance. If you want to compare art, I don't remember the last time I enjoyed a movie as much as Portal the video game. And unlike Hollywood it's squeal was bettor than the original.

[ConstantineXVI]

The problem with the film/games comparison is that film is totally passive for the viewer, games as we currently understand them require active involvement for the full duration.

[nileshtrivedi]

Well, games may have players AND spectators.

[pilgrim689]

What's to stop the Hollywood competitor from producing shows like "The Wire"? No one said Zynga would be the Hollywood killer. In fact, the "Hollywood killer" might not even exist yet... so how can you know it won't do for you what Hollywood already does before it even exists??

[rlm]

I guess you meant "couldn't" care less? :)

http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html

But I'm in total agreement with you. I too like the productions of Hollywood. I just don't like their political power.