[winter_blue]

FSD Beta is a free[1] opt-in beta.

You have to basically drive like a grandpa for a few months to even be eligible. They give you a driving score, and if you take all the fun out of driving a Tesla, then you might become eligible for FSD Beta.

I spent months trying, and never got my driving score to the point of qualifying for FSD Beta. I think you need to have of a score of 98 or 99 (and I was in the 70s).

[1] The Beta is free (or rather, only available) if you have regular FSD. Regular FSD costs $15,000.

Regular FSD, otoh, is really not that impressive. Especially in comparison to Enhanced Autopilot. The extra value add is minimal.

Enhanced Autopilot already has all the gimmicky features you might want to use to show off to people (like Smart Summon, Autopark, etc), and it only costs $6,000.

[CyanLite2]

FSD Beta still costs $15k just to be part of the beta program.

Yes, you have to pay $15k just to apply to the beta program, and you still may not get accepted into the program.

[giobox]

Or 199 dollars + taxes a month - there is a pay as you go option. Not saying this is great, but you can try it for a month for ~200 bucks. This is how I tried FSD beta for a month - certainly wasn't prepared to pay 15k up front.

The safety score check stuff is largely gone away today - anyone who pays 200 bucks can click the beta opt in and get it almost straight away now, there is ~zero risk of not getting the beta if you really want it, live in US or Canada, and are prepared to pay.

> https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-subscription...

[winter_blue]

> The safety score check stuff is largely gone away today - anyone who pays 200 bucks can click the beta opt in and get it almost straight away now, there is ~zero risk of not getting the beta if you really want it, live in US or Canada, and are prepared to pay.

Does this recall mean that FSD Beta won't be as widely & publicly available to anyone with FSD anymore?

[giobox]

No - the "recall" here is an OTA software update already scheduled for release. Availability remains exactly the same as far as I'm aware, and existing systems still function until updated.

FWIW, NHTSA "recalls" are often OTA software updates nowadays rather than something the vehicle or feature has to be taken off road for to fix or update. The NHTSA legislation from the 60s was drafted when cars didn't have software and any fix/"recall" likely required "recalling" the car to a shop for a mechanic to perform the change.

> https://repository.law.umich.edu/mtlr/vol28/iss1/5/

[winter_blue]

Does the OTA disable Beta though?

[giobox]

No, its literally just a scheduled OTA software update for anyone who has it installed.

[nanidin]

The safety score stuff is no longer relevant for FSD beta since circa November 2022.

[LeoPanthera]

This is no longer true. The safety score program has ended. Now anyone who has paid for FSD can get FSD.

[jacquesm]

'only' ?

That's a significant amount of cash for features that I would likely never use.

[winter_blue]

It does have Navigate on Autopilot (and Auto Lane Change), and on long trips, it's been able to switch lanes & take the correct exit to switch to a different highway, etc. It pretty much let me daydream / think about other stuff while on the highway while keeping a finger on the steering wheel.

Sadly, it does shut itself off as soon as you're off a highway however. (That's where FSD would hypothetically come in, once the beta is ready, with "Autosteer on city streets").

In terms of value for money:

  - I'd say Auto Lane Change is worth $1,500.

  - Navigate on Autopilot is worth another $1,500.

  - Autopark is worth $1,000.

  - Smart Summon is worth $5,00

Overall, Enhanced Autopilot is worth at least $4,500 methinks.

Throw in $1,500 as a profit margin (or Elon tax), so he can burn some dinosaurs for his private jet flights, the $6,000 Enhanced Autopilot price point makes sense.

FSD, otoh, is absolutely not worth it.

[nanidin]

> I'd say Auto Lane Change is worth $1,500.

What does that work out to, in terms of dollars per lane change for the duration of ownership? Would you feel the same if you were feeding dollar bills into a feeder each time you changed lanes? Quarters?

Auto lane change is the only feature I value out of EAP / FSD subscription and I can't justify $200/month because it works out to multiple dollars per lane change.

[vel0city]

> It pretty much let me daydream

You shouldn't be daydreaming on Navigate on Autopilot. Its only Level 2, you're supposed to be ready take the wheel in a second or two. You're supposed to still be actively paying attention to the road, constantly.

[binkHN]

> Smart Summon

How often do you use this and how well does it work?