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by smorrebrod 1220 days ago
One sound usage I read for a digital currency like this is person-to-person instantaneous transfer without having to give IBAN data and waiting 24h.
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Most UK "person-to-person" bank transfers use the Faster Payments Service (FPS), which is usually more or less instantaneous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster_Payments

Britain is shutting down their mobile payment system on 7 March: https://paym.co.uk/

The equivalent service is widely used in Scandinavia and some other countries. I can pay a friend or make a purchase in a small shop (or a big one) without needing to know bank account numbers.

Yeah, this has been around forever and I don't know anyone who ever used it.

Bank transfers are free and fast here, if you gave me your bank account and sort code, you would have your money pretty much instantaneously.

In fact, when I buy goods from Facebook Marketplace, people mostly want a bank transfer and you can send the money whilst you're standing there, and they'll be able to confirm they got it before you leave.

I see your point about using phone numbers instead, but oddly I'd rather give someone my account number and sort code rather than my phone number :)

I used it years ago, though it was introduced to my circle of friends by a Swedish guy who worked in IT at a bank. The banks hardly advertised it, and soon after launching it they hid it away in the app/website interfaces.

We mostly already had each other's phone numbers, and the PayM process would confirm the name of the target account -- so there was confirmation the payment was going to the intended place years before this was added to Faster Payments.

When I'm here I use the Danish one (MobilePay) at least a couple of times a month. It's the default way to split the bill for a restaurant/bar/tickets among friends, to collect money for a gift for a colleague with a new baby, or to pay a stranger for second hand goods or their spare concert ticket. If there's the option, I'll use it to pay for goods and services online.

MobilePay has always been much easier to use.

1. Open app or touch NFC tag (when paying in a shop, in which case skip to 4).

2. Input amount

3. Choose previous recipient, choose phone number from phone contacts, type in a new phone number, or scan a QR code (typically a business).

4. Amount and recipient's name is shown, swipe to confirm.

5. Confirmation page shown (useful for strangers), recipient gets a notification.

Pretty much already exists. I have no problem doing instant transfers between two different banks in two different countries (EU).
I thought we already did this?

I regularly send money from my banking app to my partners and its instantaneous.

Americans need strange third party apps to do basic operations like this, which often makes their opinions on EU financial sector confusing
To be clear, I'm from France and I have not heard of free instantaneous bank transfer with major banks
This page[1] seems to imply instant SEPA transfers are a thing in France, but I don't know which banks support it.

[1] https://www.banque-france.fr/en/node/38530

Yes they are a thing but it can cost something like 1€ to actually use it. Although online-only banks now offer it for free.
Had it for the last 20 years.