[ZephyrBlu]

Effort is generally a pretty good proxy for respect. If this isn't a respectful attempt, can you explain what is a respectful attempt?

You go to a class, offer to help a girl and then at some point later (End of the class, etc) you ask for her number. If she says no at any point you leave her alone. What's disrespectful about that if you're genuinely helping her?

Of course if you're leering and won't leave a girl alone that's disrespectful, but taking a class and offering help to attractive girls isn't inherently disrespectful.

[ImaCake]

>Effort is generally a pretty good proxy for respect

My example above says otherwise.

>can you explain what is a respectful attempt?

One done in good faith. Which is a slippery and vague concept. The ambiguity would explain the state of this comment section.

>taking a class and offering help to attractive girls isn't inherently disrespectful

I, and others, would consider the crucial point here to be "taking the class" because there will be attactive girls there, to be the disrespectful part. It also matters that this is being done on a mass scale, so that many suitors are disrupting the studies of many students at the same time.

[TheHappyOddish]

> I, and others, would consider the crucial point here to be "taking the class" because there will be attactive girls there, to be the disrespectful part.

Wait until you find out why men go to nightclubs...

[ZephyrBlu]

Generally.

If men have to pursue women in "good faith" and not purposefully try to position themselves then I have news for you, 99% of men are 'disrespectful'.

[wilsonnb3]

> I have news for you, 99% of men are 'disrespectful'.

I don't think this will be news to most women

[notpachet]

> If men have to pursue women in "good faith" and not purposefully try to position themselves then I have news for you, 99% of men are 'disrespectful'.

Bing bing bing! We have a winner!

[sinity]

> Bing bing bing! We have a winner!

Also these who are pursuing are the only ones who have a shot at relationship, pretty much.

So you are advising that _truly respectful_ males should just remove themselves from the gene pool. Great thinking.

[ImaCake]

This isn't exclusive to straight men. I know plenty of people who have pursued relationships in good faith.

EDIT: please cite a source for "99% of".

[felix_n]

Damn you sound like such a clown.

"You don't get me Amanda, I'm stalking you because I just have so much respect for you. I'm one of the nice ones!"

"Well detective, I felt like we got off on the wrong foot because I kept a journal of her movements and social circle in a purely respectful manner, but she thought it was creepy. So then I thought, how much more respect can you show a woman than by carefully planning her murder and meticulously cleaning the scene and disposing of her body?"