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by smcnally 5276 days ago
> ~my cable provider's my best broadband option"

We're witnessing non-death throes of a more-intelligent animal.

When the music industry was disrupted completely, their Plan B was a white-knuckle-grip onto Plan A (their traditional business model). The cablecos were foresightful enough to turn their TV monopolies into broadband value-adds. They've done a drn good job at it, despite the bellyaching we can do. While providing "the best available internet access," they're no dummies, and entrenched cableco interests will ensure cord-cutting's not easy.

HBO is balancing the beam effectively (for their business, if less so for their "audience"). They have zero plans to make their "HBO-Anywhere" service available except to cable subs.

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-hbo-to-cord-cutters-youll...

Competition is still Good. Cableco monopolists were in no hurry to improve things until DSL and fiber-to-the-premises services became available and attractive. But they've responded.

Re TV programming itself, cutting the cord is more difficult when kids are involved. Even with timeshifting as second (or first) nature, you need the source to switch from.* As for torrenting, etc., "it's only 'free' if your time has no value" comes to play.

Per the cited article, and per comments in this thread, TV is a lean-back, consumption-oriented time sink. I like to have that even knowing it's a less-than-optimal use of time.

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> As for torrenting, etc., "it's only 'free' if your time has no value" comes to play.

Whenever I hear someone disregard torrents offhand, I get the distinct impression that they've either never actually tried it or that they're simply being dishonest, because piracy has never been easier.

Have you actually tried torrenting TV shows or movies (or any other type of digital content, for that matter)? Contrary to the FUD that seems to be popular opinion on HN, it's a cake walk. Most importantly, learning how to use torrents is a (rather small) one-time time investment, whereas watching TV means that you perenially waste 1/4th of your viewing time watching ads. And don't forget that you have to keep track of when shows are airing and either watch them then or remember to record them for later viewing.

So if saving time is one of your primary concerns, the numbers simply don't add up in favor of broadcast TV, no matter how you look at them.

In fact, piracy is so easy that I won't even bother with free solutions like Hulu - why should I waste my time traversing 10 different sites looking for a particular episode of a particular show I want to see when I can go to the same torrent site every time and have a virtual guarantee that the content I want will be instantly available, and in HD, at that?

If you have moral qualms with respect to piracy, I can agree to disagree, despite my personal lack of objections to the practice. But claiming that piracy is somehow time inefficient is nothing more or less than pure prevarication.

> Whenever I hear someone disregard torrents offhand, I get the distinct impression that they've either never actually tried it or that they're simply being dishonest, because piracy has never been easier.

It wasn't offhand: it takes more time to find and download content than it does to turn on the tube and flip through its offerings. With hope, you're not arguing that point.

Your distinct impression is incorrect in my case: The last several torrents specifically for shows not then available via other means took me several minutes to find and many more to download. The shows in question weren't tiny unknowns; in my experience, finding less-popular shows is even more of a hassle. If any of these had been available on demand, for "purchase," or via Hulu (to which I subscribe), I would have preferred those methods.

Your own points are also not mutually-exclusive: piracy may be as easy as it's ever been and still be more involved than turning on and tuning in. I don't mind paying for content I feel is of value. I also value my time and the frictionlessness with which I can ~"mindlessly" enjoy some programming. Less hassle - even if it's still little hassle - is worth it to me. YMMV.

> It wasn't offhand: it takes more time to find and download content than it does to turn on the tube and flip through its offerings. With hope, you're not arguing that point.

> I also value my time and the frictionlessness with which I can ~"mindlessly" enjoy some programming. Less hassle - even if it's still little hassle - is worth it to me.

I think our use cases are different. I have no interest in flipping on the TV and "mindlessly" watching whatever programming happens to be on at the time. I have always hated "channel surfing", and I certainly don't like watching anything from the middle (of the episode or the season).

I carefully pick and choose what I watch. Once I've picked a show, I always watch it from the beginning to the end, in order, and keep careful track of which episodes of which shows I've seen (using Anigrate: http://anigrate.glacicle.org/). As you can imagine, I take my TV viewing quite seriously (though this is not necessarily true for all, or even most, torrenters).

> The last several torrents specifically for shows not then available via other means took me several minutes to find and many more to download. The shows in question weren't tiny unknowns; in my experience, finding less-popular shows is even more of a hassle. If any of these had been available on demand, for "purchase," or via Hulu (to which I subscribe), I would have preferred those methods.

Like I said, it takes a (small) upfront investment of time to educate oneself in the best means of finding such things. I don't know which particular shows you were looking for, but I can likely find a torrent (or direct download, if that's your preference) of any show you name in under 30 seconds.

>Why should I waste my time traversing 10 different sites looking for a particular episode of a particular show I want to see when I can go to the same torrent site every time and have a virtual guarantee that the content I want will be instantly available, and in HD, at that?

Because one avenue is legal, and the other is illegal. I'm not saying that that will serve as an incentive to change your (or others') behavior, but that's the answer to your question.

But aren't you scared? As far as I know all P2P is easily detectable and the liklihood isn't all that small that you will be caught at some point. Aren't the sums of money involved then potentially life-destroying in the US?
Not particularly. The way I see it, the chance of me getting hit by another car and dying during my 25-minute daily commute to work is higher.

However, if that's your fear, you can always use direct download, which also has the nice advantage of being sequential, so you can watch the episode as it downloads (basically streaming). In fact, if your connection is fast enough, you can stream 720p TV show episodes.

Try it for yourself. Go to http://www.filecrop.com/, disable the Rapidshare and Hotfile checkboxes (leaving just Megaupload), then search for any TV show, adding the usual Scene-style season/episode indicator (e.g., S01E01). If you want HD, add "720p". You can find a direct download link that will max out your connection for pretty much any show.

Kessler is undaunted, saying HBO regards cord cutting as a temporary phenomenon that will go away once the larger economy improves.

That is a profoundly terrible research on their behalf. Yes I cut my cord because it was cheaper for me, but i didn't do it to save money, I did it because cable tv simply isn't worth the money for me. paying for streaming hbo would definitely be worth it however.

Kessler is catering to his audience here: remember, HBO butters its bread via their deals with cablecos, not through direct relationships with you or me. Maybe some day they'll want to own the relationship and disintermediate the middlemen cablecos. For now, they're the folks who pay HBO, so it's not in HBO's interest to piss them off by giving you and me more ammo in efforts to cut cords.