[ssth]

> does not imply an obligation from me to give any remote fuck

I don't think this attitude suitable in the diverse community where there are different ethnics or religons. People should care what the other find things unconfortable and should be aware that what you think acceptable is may not so for the others.

Of course if you mean let them do their own things and you do not mean offense or insult them, I thank you for your understanding.

Edit: to clarify what I mean.

[Sakos]

I have zero tolerance for people who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence. This goes for Islam just as much for Christianity. I don't hear much about Christians beheading people over insulting Jesus in Europe though.

[ssth]

> I have zero tolerance for people who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence.

Those who push their religious views on others and also use their religion to justify violence are extremely minority, majority of muslims do not do those things. And "bad muslims" always in those media or news because who would read articles about "nice muslim". So you should know what I mean.

And insulting *any* religions is not acceptable and deserve to be punished. As for beheading punishment though, I do not have enough knowledge to comment about it.

[qsort]

> And insulting any religions is not acceptable and deserve to be punished.

Why?

I believe all religions are a bunch of bullshit. Almost all of them regard this belief as a mortal insult. Should I get punished for that?

The only tenable way to treat religions in a liberal democracy is like any other belief. You get full freedom to practice any one you want, or none of them, or even more than one at the same time for all I care, but you don't get any special status or moral authority.

[ssth]

≥ I believe all religions are a bunch of bullshit. Almost all of them regard this belief as a mortal insult.

You may believe in no religion, but I don't think you should say that in public. Especially in front of any religius person you say "your religion is bullshit!".

> Should I get punished for that?

Maybe if that as insult to others.

> The only tenable way to treat religions in a liberal democracy is like any other belief. You get full freedom to practice any one you want, or none of them, or even more than one at the same time for all I care, but you don't get any special status or moral authority.

I agree to this point. But you do not automatically have right to insult other's believe.

[Sakos]

This is insanity. This is like saying insulting Republicans or Democrats should be punishable. There's nothing particularly special about religion that should give it protection from criticism or "disrespect" or being insulted (also, who decides what is an insult? the religious fruitcakes? naw dawg, fucking no). Anything else is such authoritarian insanity that it feels like you're arguing in bad faith, and it just gives religious extremists the protection they need to force their ass-backwards views on everybody else while literally murdering people who they perceive as having "insulted" them or their religion.

If you want to protect "good Muslims", you need to accept liberal values that include being able to "insult" a religion without fear of violent attack.

> As for beheading punishment though, I do not have enough knowledge to comment about it.

What the fuck does this even mean? You think there's some conceivable situation where it's justified to react to "being insulted" with a beheading? You can fuck right off with the rest of the extremists.

[ssth]

> There's nothing particularly special about religion that should give it protection from criticism or "disrespect" or being insulted (also, who decides what is an insult? the religious fruitcakes? naw dawg, fucking no)

Sure enough we do not need law about this. But should we actively offending others because we do not agree to them when we can go by beeing nice each other. Even if we do not share what is critism what is insult, I apologize if you feel offended.

> If you want to protect "good Muslims", you need to accept liberal values that include being able to "insult" a religion without fear of violent attack

Even if there is no violence, anyone should not insult others. And anyone who do violence or murder should be punished by law.

≥ You think there's some conceivable situation where it's justified to react to "being insulted" with a beheading?

No, I think there's no conceivable situation where it's justified to react to "being insulted" with a beheading.

> You can fuck right off with the rest of the extremists.

When I ask anyone to be nice to each other is extremist, well sorry.

Of course violence and terrorist is not right regardless of any reason.

[ssth]

Here I don't mean to say that any country have to create law about this.

As for punishment, I don't mean death punishment. At max should be jail or fine.

[posterboy]

I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that getting stabbed to death is "uncomfortable". I'd certainly not not "give a fuck" if it happened to me because I literally looked at somebody the wrong way.

[ssth]

I certainly do abhor any violence when it could be avoided when we respect each other's view and values. Especially if anyone resort to stab others because they feel offended.

What I mean, you shoud consider to stop yourself before you do things that controversial. Or do you keep silence if other people do things that you find offensive? Some other may not keep silence and may resort violence, and it is not limited to islam. Once again, I do not like violence or oppression when we can avoid those by respecting each others and talks nicely when any conflict happens.

Edit: typo and be more clear

[natosaichek]

We can avoid violence by _not responding violently_ to feeling offended. Being offended is not the same as being physically harmed. Those people who respond with violence to the non-violent acts of others should be censured. Their ideologies deserve ridicule and suppression to the extent that they condone such violence.