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by Spivak 1258 days ago
"My preference is the current state of things so I pretend that it wasn't forced on people in just the same way I accuse others with different preferences of doing."

Welcome to "government is the means by which a group of people make collective decisions about the way we want our city/state/country to work." When striving for liberty, the thing we actually want, anarchy is just as much a preference as order.
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Eumenes 1258 days ago
Yeah, liberty is totally defined by draconian policies on employers/companies to give hand-outs for lay offs. If that's the case, we need to mandate employees give 3 months notice, for the employer to backfill the position properly. Its only fair.
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Spivak 1258 days ago
Literally nothing could be considered a handout to your own employee. By definition they’re selling their labor to you for a public contract called “legally being an employee” which comes with obligations on the part of the employee and employer.

Everything else is haggling over the specific details. If we decide that one of those employer obligations is to provide guaranteed runaway for employees in the case of termination then that’s that. If we decide that one of the employee’s obligations is providing 3 months of notice then that’s also that. But the two things aren’t at all related except in your mind.

Right now today with no change in policy whatsoever you have to make the choice as to weather you are willing and able meet your obligations as an employer before taking on employees and you have as much say and the same votes as everyone else to decide what those obligations are.

Fairness informs but does not ultimately decide the employer employee relationship. The only thing we get for sure if the system works is that over time it tends toward what is considered fair by the current working citizens.

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Eumenes 1258 days ago
Yeah but majority of employment contracts are 'at-will', so either party can say bye-bye anytime they want. I work, you pay me - pretty simple, lets keep it that way. If job seekers want extra perks/fringe benefits, ask for them in the job offer process. If employers want to offer them, be my guest. But keep the government out of this. We need less bureaucratic BS, not more.
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