[birdymcbird]

every employer ive had has been clear about this. in mid 90s i worked at a electronics store called circuit city. had coworker get fired after discussing hourly pay. in 2000s i worked gas stations and hotels. same thing. went back to school and first white collar job discussing salary was not allowed and they say so at orientation training.

think tesla news is because people are against musk and targeting him. convinced this still widespread and happening everywhere. media just pushing narrative.

[kibwen]

Lots of companies doing a shitty thing is not some magical excuse for any given company also doing that shitty thing. On the contrary, we should be happy that the focus on Tesla has the power to bring more light to this issue.

[birdymcbird]

>”Lots of companies doing a shitty thing is not some magical excuse for any given company also doing that shitty thing”

strawman argument. something is widespread and has been widespread but now has spotlight because “tesla” and “musk”. and spotlight on tesla here, not other abusers.

the news media doing this reporting is not to unhide injustice but a focused assault on musk and tesla.

should force critical thinking about why media has turned so hard against tesla or musk. what is it they are afraid of?

[clouddrover]

> what is it they are afraid of?

Maybe they're not afraid of anything. Maybe Tesla and Musk are just grubby operators.

[birdymcbird]

> Maybe they're not afraid of anything. Maybe Tesla and Musk are just grubby operators.

what it mean grubby operators? there is no major headline in 2022/2023 than daily obsession with musk and every move?

there is narrative to destroy musk and undermine his companies. paradox that tesla ev company and media favors progressive shift to ev going away from fossil fuel.

much of anger and propaganda since he bought twitter i think they fear his active management style is threat to american mass media monopoly on shaping culture and world opinion. they fear because he owns twitter and fired much of company that had political alignment with american mass media machinery.

[clouddrover]

> what it mean grubby operators?

Breaking labour laws by telling workers not to discuss pay is the mark of a grubby operator. All US workers are entitled to discuss wages, whether a company likes it or not:

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-right...

[anigbrowl]

This is baffling to me. it's so obviously a sleight of hand by the employer, in the sense of 'don't tell the others you're my favorite, or they'll be jealous.' The idea that the employer has any basis whatsoever to restrict conversation among employees is absurd on its face. It's one thing to say 'don't give away the recipe of our secret dipping sauce,' on the basis that it's a trade secret. maintaining internal secrecy about all compensation is just pitting your employees against each other and seems incompatible with establishing/maintaining team cohesion.

[beebmam]

It's a good chance to raise awareness that sharing your compensation with your co-workers is an action protected by your civil rights in the United States.

[LocalH]

What rock are you living under? The struggle between employers and employees has been a major topic for some time now. Quiet quitting, etc. The whole thing about it being illegal to do this as an employer is not being discussed solely as a dunk on Musk.

Every employer you had was violating the law, if they told you that discussing wages will result in termination. Doubly so if they actually fired someone over doing so. Discussing wages between employees is federally protected activity that employers may not interfere with. It's very similar to how the FCC has the jurisdiction to prevent landlords from prohibiting tenants from mounting antennas and satellite dishes on parts of the property where they have an exclusive right of access.

Even today, if you were to walk around and ask random people on the street, they'd probably tell you that it's illegal or wrong to talk about your wages. I even personally know a manager of a business who has that opinion (and the two of us have even had quite verbal and heated arguments about the topic).

[clouddrover]

> every employer ive had has been clear about this.

Why did you submit to their unlawful attempts at restricting your speech? Was it just ignorance of your rights?

Everyone in the US can discuss their wages. It doesn't matter what employers are "clear" about:

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-right...

This is not a new situation. The National Labor Relations Act was passed in 1935:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Act_o...

> media just pushing narrative.

No different to you pushing your narrative that everyone should submit to the unlawful whims of employers.

[birdymcbird]

> Why did you submit to their unlawful attempts at restricting your speech? Was it just ignorance of your rights?

don’t come from privilege. For some people easy to virtue signal in a condecending way, as you do here. Was getting paid minimum wage to support family. whatever law is or however government holds that law if ever me can not risk losing job and not paying apartment rent with children at home.

>”No different to you pushing your narrative that everyone should submit to the unlawful whims of employers.”

no my point that Tesla and elon singled out because media hunt against him. my point that this has been abused and broken for decades, as i told you in me examples. media does not care. suddenly they talk about company breaking law as if they care about justice. Lol

for reasons you respond in bad faith..have unproductive discussion and on purpose or from arrogant misrepresent what i say and argue strawmans.

if you has issue with elon or Tesla, fine. amazes me how social justice people like you do this virtue signaling on behalf of laborers,poor (I was one through 1990 and 2000s) but it about you and your agenda not do with helping others or law

[clouddrover]

> don’t come from privilege.

Most people don't. That's all the more reason to stand up for yourself.

> if you has issue with elon or Tesla, fine.

So.. you have no issue with Elon or Tesla exploiting the ignorance of poor people like you? You desperately defend them not just in spite of what companies like them have done to you, but because of it?

There's no value in advocating further submission to companies like these. I'd say you've got a responsibility to educate other workers about their rights, precisely and especially because you have the lived experience of being a victim of this kind of unlawful conduct.

[birdymcbird]

>”So.. you have no issue with Elon or Tesla for exploiting the ignorance of poor people like you? You desperately defend them not just in spite of what companies like them have done to you, but because of it?”

Not my point at all did not defend elon or tesla. you English better than mine and think that much obvious to you. Sad that you continue this strawman posts and anger because someone say something not fitting your agenda.

[clouddrover]

> Not my point at all did not defend elon or tesla.

Yes it did. Trying to claim there is some kind of conspiracy against Musk or Tesla, and further claiming that forbidding discussion of wages is no big deal because other companies also do it, is an attempt at defending and minimizing the problem.

[birdymcbird]

>”Trying to claim there is some kind of conspiracy against Musk or Tesla”

this is not defense of elon but indictment of media propaganda

>”and further claiming that forbidding discussion of wages is no big deal because other companies also do it”

me never said this. youre clearly antagonizing and even trolling me.

think my opinions didn’t fit cleanly with your agenda so like many of virtue signaling group, you resort to attacks and suppress opinions. fascist technique