[littleidea]

a) once popular catch phrase? because of Zed? granted it's hyperbolic and cliche, but most titles are, by design b) If you want to discuss in private, I can give names and numbers. There are real people with real feelings and real money involved. c) you have no idea what you are talking about d) love to see a critique or counterpoints with any substance e) share and share alike

I'm many things, but lazy isn't one.

[jsavimbi]

I'm not that interested in your names and number if you cannot provide them publicly. Obviously, you seem to be somewhat upset at a person or group of persons related to one or more incubators and would rather champion your three favorites over others. I don't have a problem with that, but I think you have to reword the premise of your argument and maybe provide helpful data points without being facetious about the subjects, nature or provenance of your information.

You know, appear to be knowledgable regarding the subject matter at hand; otherwise it's just some fan-boy rant.

[littleidea]

There are some things my discretion says should not be made publicly specific.

While everyone is entitled to have different sensibilities, I don't understand why you would refuse to discuss this in the abstract.

I'm not sure what you actually read, but at the end there is a link to this google doc which appears to be the closest thing to publicly available data. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=0AkkhS...

I have never been through an incubator, but I have been involved in the process of successfully raising venture capital half a dozen times. Further, I have become friends with many other founders and investors. I have friends who have been through different incubators and I always make it a point to get involved with entrepreneurial events and activities whenever I can. Of incubators I have personally observed, some are on that list and some are not.

I have no affinity for any incubator, but there are public numbers and if you want to take the position that on paper right now YC doesn't overshadow everyone else, I'd really like to hear the arguments.

Honestly, I'm not upset so much as underwhelmed and disappointed. It doesn't impact my life or business directly, I just don't like to see good people wasting time and that includes people running these incubators.

If you care to make questions or comments on any point beyond ad hominem commentary, I would do my best to answer in earnest.

[jsavimbi]

> I don't understand why you would refuse to discuss this in the abstract.

Because it's just gossip and opinion. There's nothing to discuss.

[littleidea]

I couldn't disagree more. In this case, being more specific is only going to multiply the gossip and opinion.

There is more than enough data in the google doc to support a discussion.

Furthermore, you now have comments from people who have had the first hand experiences I described. I'm willing to wager they didn't go through the programs I would specifically identify.

I'm not sure what else one could need to have a discussion, but suit yourself.