[HellDunkel]

I am sure you have built things with your bare hands that you have been proud of or maybe someone close to you. if i compare theses events in my own life to the things i built as a dev i must say: something is off. and nobody is helped if we sugarcoat things like that. sw engineering is hard work and more often than not feels like a waste of time. i never aspired to stand out, all i want is build something i can be proud of.

[farleykr]

I certainly didn't intend to sugarcoat anything. I was actually hoping to lay bare the harsh reality that work is often disappointing. I would hazard a guess that maligree has built at least a few things they're proud of at work. I read their post as expressing an overall feeling that they're not at home in their job, which to my understanding is a tangent from whether or not you have individual accomplishments to be proud of.

I'll double down on my original comment and say that if you depend on work to be your ultimate source of fulfillment (another way of calling it a home), the disappointment and reality that "sw engineering is hard work and more often than not feels like a waste of time" will always pull the rug out from under you at some point.

[HellDunkel]

should we not put up some serious effort to make work less disappointing? i think everybody, especially the senior folks need to up their game a little and say „no“ a lot more. we are trapped in a loop of endlessly stupid hypecylces and we will never break out by stating „work is often disappointing“ and call it a day.

[farleykr]

I'm not saying we should turn a blind eye to disappointments because "that's just the way it is." Work itself is a process of taking things that are not good or disappointing and correcting them. But maligree is getting at the idea of finding ultimate fulfillment at work. I'm convinced that even a thousand years from now we'll still be experiencing disappointment at work and if we wait for disappointment to be gone from work so we can find ultimate fulfillment in it we'll never get there.

[HellDunkel]

disappointment, set backs and failures are part of work and this is not a problem but a very natural thing. The thing about software is that we do way too many stupid and downright useless things and this leads to a lot of frustration. Imagine we built houses like we do software.