[isityouyesitsme]

Right, so because your state and country is ahead in this area, everyone else is "a hut in Siberia?"

My comment specifically mentioned a 2030 or 2035 mandate, which is a US mandate. Why would you argue against a US mandate by talking about Australia? You're not doing the EV group any favors by ignoring the problems people describe that prevent them from buying one, and there is currently no US legislation to enable a mandate in the timeframe it would be required.

[wiretap]

This is also a mandate in Canada for 2035, and I feel like you are being unfair and a little bit snarky to the other commenter (who didn't make the comment about Siberia).

This is actually a larger problem in Canada than the US, and most of the political and policy discussion is in favour of this change.

[isityouyesitsme]

I am not certain the point of this, tbh.

I am discussing the mentality of the opposition in the US and the reasons they cite where the EV solution does not work for them. If your government is committed to making it work by 2035, that's a different matter. The US government has made no such commitment, they only discuss mandates. All of the pain, none of the gain.

[defrost]

> because your state and country is ahead in this area, everyone else is "a hut in Siberia?"

No. How did arrive at that conclusion? Did you misread the user names and assume I made that comment?

> Why would you argue against a US mandate by talking about Australia?

You made a statement about other places in the world which was false, I gave an example of why it was false. You are now better informed, you're welcome.

[isityouyesitsme]

yes, I misread (or more accurately didn't read) user names. Apologies for that.

But no, what I said was not false. I said that I suspect there are other locations in the world where this is true (meaning northern US isn't the only one), and the reply was that there are locations where it isn't true (Australia).

[defrost]

As often happens what we say doesn't always clearly convey what we mean to others, we've perhaps both fallen foul from this.

A few points of note;

* like or not Australia as a country is an interesting case study wrt "how do other countries fare?" .. we have charging capabilities .. but hellish distances between towns outside of cities. On the plus side the vast bulk of the population is urban | near urban .. so it's only the actual outback | rural | FiFo types that may be left with ICE down the timeline.

* Future mandates are aspiration and exert a pressure to change; come crunch day it may have come to pass that sufficient recharge capability has been pushed out to Backwater Dale in Banjo County .. or not. When the reality comes to pass there is the option to modify policy in the face of some areas being better suited for mandated EVs than others.

[isityouyesitsme]

I have zero problems with how Australia plans to meet its transportation needs. I do not live there.

In the US, I also do not care much about whether cars are EV or not (my only actual hangup about EV as a technology is the raw material sourcing. It is perhaps as immoral as how we obtain oil, and we do not have a story on what to do with the waste). I may even buy one in a couple years (I run all my cars to the point where they need constant repair, and only buy used cars, so the average age of my cars when they are retired is about 12 years). But that is different than the fantasy that EV as a primary form of personal transportation will work for the vast majority of the northern US.

I think the opposite of the intended effect will actually happen. We are forcing a mandate without a means for it to work.