[joshuamorton]

What were in these cocktails? Gold and gemstones?

The (really good, fairly pricey, good service) cocktail bars that I have gone to in SF and NYC charge less than $17 for their normal cocktails (and the only one I've seen that had a $30 price tag was because it used Remy Martin XO)

[tastysandwich]

I should probably have added (for an international audience), this is in Australia which has a pretty high alcohol tax. Plus the exchange rate - $17 AUD is $11.50 USD.

[listenallyall]

gone to in 2010

[joshuamorton]

I literally can't find anything on a menu of any bay area cocktail bars that is more than $17. Trick dog, true laurel, pagan idol, smugglers cove, house of shields, etc. Most are $15 or less.

I can find the occasional $18 drink in Manhattan.

[listenallyall]

15-16-18, does it really matter? You were all "gold and gemstones" Anyway, you're going to tip, right?

[joshuamorton]

I mean until they're $17 pre-tip, your drink is under $20.

And yeah, most good cocktail bars except the absolute fanciest (like, nationally known) are running at half the price this person was saying. It's in incredible exaggeration.

[listenallyall]

It's really not. Go visit Los Angeles. Or Las Vegas. Even the freaking Washington Post was complaining. Washington. In 2015.

I'm not going to argue definitions of a "good cocktail bar" but the point is, they ain't cheap these days.

And a karma tip, if a drink is $15-16 pre-tip, you should not consider that drink to cost "under $20"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/gulp-howd-we-g...

[joshuamorton]

I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip".

And that article is bemoaning $12 and $15 cocktails. I'm not arguing that those are cheap. I am arguing that they aren't 20-30 dollar drinks, which is what the original post said. You've backed off from that by 30-50%.

And I agree you can find 16 or 18 dollar drinks in many places, I never argued otherwise. But you can't find $30 dollar drinks, much less pre tip, which is what the original post implied. And I'm not interested in you arguing for arguments sake. The original claim was that the cheapest drink on the menu was 17 and that most were 20-30. Find me a bar with those prices. I'll wait. But until then, don't pretend that a menu of mostly $14 cocktails fits the bill.