[joshuamorton]

I mean until they're $17 pre-tip, your drink is under $20.

And yeah, most good cocktail bars except the absolute fanciest (like, nationally known) are running at half the price this person was saying. It's in incredible exaggeration.

[listenallyall]

It's really not. Go visit Los Angeles. Or Las Vegas. Even the freaking Washington Post was complaining. Washington. In 2015.

I'm not going to argue definitions of a "good cocktail bar" but the point is, they ain't cheap these days.

And a karma tip, if a drink is $15-16 pre-tip, you should not consider that drink to cost "under $20"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/gulp-howd-we-g...

[joshuamorton]

I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip".

And that article is bemoaning $12 and $15 cocktails. I'm not arguing that those are cheap. I am arguing that they aren't 20-30 dollar drinks, which is what the original post said. You've backed off from that by 30-50%.

And I agree you can find 16 or 18 dollar drinks in many places, I never argued otherwise. But you can't find $30 dollar drinks, much less pre tip, which is what the original post implied. And I'm not interested in you arguing for arguments sake. The original claim was that the cheapest drink on the menu was 17 and that most were 20-30. Find me a bar with those prices. I'll wait. But until then, don't pretend that a menu of mostly $14 cocktails fits the bill.

[listenallyall]

Beauty and Essex LA.

> I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip

Because only "that guy" pays for a $16 drink with a $20 and demands a dollar in change. Lol. But you're immune, because, I can already tell, you go to bars and pay the slammed bartender with a credit card.

[joshuamorton]

Neat! Of course, you really should do it without the needless potshots that just arent remotely true. If you had just said that at the beginning,you might have avoided all this needless un-niceness. But it really seems like your goal is to be mean, not engaging. Your loss I guess.

[listenallyall]

nobody is trying to embarrass you or "take potshots" but when you start objecting to comments because they are off by a rounding error or you start calculating percentages in response to the theme of "this shit has gotten expensive," you're outing yourself

[joshuamorton]

That wasn't the "theme". Like I already said once: you changed the subject to try and argue something different than what was initially said. You've then decided to, as best as I can tell call me an asshole to people in the service industry because I pointed out that you kept changing the argument to something less extreme.

I don't disagree with "drinks are expensive" I disagree that they're commonly $20-30. That's all I've ever said and you seem deeply intent on trying to say that actually 18 or 15 or 12 dollar drinks are also expensive, which sure okay but that's irrelevant!

Like, all I said is that I was amazed at 20-30 dollar drinks, which I still am, you managed to find one bar with drinks at that price point, and when I said that drinks at that price point are rare even in expensive cities, you said "in 2010", when I pointed out that no, even today its difficult to find drinks at that price point, you started taking potshots. It's really weird. And yeah "you're an asshole to bartenders" is clearly just a potshot that had nothing to do with the conversation.