[Shared404]

One trans woman being a scumbag piece of trash

A) Doesn't make her not a woman

B) Doesn't make all trans people scumbags.

I understand the position of the lesbian woman in that story - she is justified in anger, hate and fear, as sad as it is to say.

You're allowed to not be attracted to someone, and trans individuals have to accept that sometimes relationships may not work out as a result of their being trans - it's just a sad but true fact.

> Push down their own beliefs and feelings in case someone who thinks they are the opposite sex reads anything that may be critical of this?

Isn't the quote "facts don't care about your feelings"? All serious modern research points to trans individuals being valid.

> I read your source by the way, it's very one-sided, and mostly irrelevant to the conversation about speech.

You asked how speech leads to harm, I provided an example. I've also uploaded more since then.

[bennies4gronjd]

You've missed the point, this about people not being permitted to say the truth, per this ideology.

Even a rape victim isn't allowed to say that a man raped her, despite him forcing his penis inside of her. Is she supposed to pretend that this is a "woman's penis" or something?

That was an extreme example used to illustrate. The other examples elsewhere in this thread include a man taking an accolade that would usually be reserved for women, and a man going around being creepy to women who provide genital waxing services to other women.

If critics aren't allowed to push aside the gender ideology for a minute and discuss these males as men, it entirely undermines any point they're making about women's boundaries being encroached upon - which is also a harm, and a significant one.

[Shared404]

Again, biology does not equal gender.

The reason that I responded to your previous post was the importance of this extreme example.

Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

The research supports this.

Scumbags are scumbags, regardless of gender or trans status. Some of the people you listed are scumbags, and one was a woman receiving an award for women.

If you're going to dissolve into whataboutisms, we're done here.

[bennies4gronjd]

> Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

This is an ideological belief. We can also accurately describe them as women who want to be men, and men who want to be women.

Of the three examples we're discussing:

* one raped a woman using his penis - this is what men do, not women

* one tried to get women to touch his male genitals - again, the behavior of a man

* one received an accolade as if he's a woman - but spent most of his life making a highly successful career as a man, using his male privilege to its fullest extent

Can you see why people may prefer to refer to these three as men, not women?