[bennies4gronjd]

You've missed the point, this about people not being permitted to say the truth, per this ideology.

Even a rape victim isn't allowed to say that a man raped her, despite him forcing his penis inside of her. Is she supposed to pretend that this is a "woman's penis" or something?

That was an extreme example used to illustrate. The other examples elsewhere in this thread include a man taking an accolade that would usually be reserved for women, and a man going around being creepy to women who provide genital waxing services to other women.

If critics aren't allowed to push aside the gender ideology for a minute and discuss these males as men, it entirely undermines any point they're making about women's boundaries being encroached upon - which is also a harm, and a significant one.

[Shared404]

Again, biology does not equal gender.

The reason that I responded to your previous post was the importance of this extreme example.

Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

The research supports this.

Scumbags are scumbags, regardless of gender or trans status. Some of the people you listed are scumbags, and one was a woman receiving an award for women.

If you're going to dissolve into whataboutisms, we're done here.

[bennies4gronjd]

> Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

This is an ideological belief. We can also accurately describe them as women who want to be men, and men who want to be women.

Of the three examples we're discussing:

* one raped a woman using his penis - this is what men do, not women

* one tried to get women to touch his male genitals - again, the behavior of a man

* one received an accolade as if he's a woman - but spent most of his life making a highly successful career as a man, using his male privilege to its fullest extent

Can you see why people may prefer to refer to these three as men, not women?