[anotherevan]

At the risk of really straining the metaphor, one of the arguments is that not all the pedestrians are able to be fitted with those force fields. The force fields are also not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact.

[Jensson]

So then you heckle the pedestrians without a forcefield for not getting one? That is what we are talking about here, why would you do that?

[anotherevan]

Dropping the metaphor, absolutely not looking to heckle those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons (those pedestrians unable to be fitted with forcefields).

The wilfully unvaccinated (the "ran their car off the road because they perceived (possibly incorrectly) some danger that they were attempting to avoid" group) are making it harder for those that are medically unable and those with chronic health concerns as the less virus circulating the less risk for the more vulnerable among us. While this generates feeling of ill-will within me, I personally am not advocating the heckling of anyone.

My, "not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact," analogy was addressing that while it is still possible to catch COVID even if you are fully vaccinated, it is less likely and usually the severity will be less than it will have been otherwise if you do catch it.

[caeril]

The vaccines were never sterilizing. The best estimates I've seen for transmission attenuation are around 15%, primarily due to shortening the duration of being a carrier, with an additional small effect for viral load reduction.

Fifteen percent transmission attenuation is a huge contrast to the public health messaging during much of the vaccination campaign, which was that vaccination would invariably protect the vulnerable. It never did, and public health experts knew it.

Is 15% better than zero? Sure. But to claim that vaccination would protect others is and was a total lie, or if you want to be more charitable, only 85% of a total lie.

[anotherevan]

Sources?

Here's mine for Victoria, Australia: https://n.actionsack.com/covidbaseau/status/1570919765191053...

"When 45% of deaths and 30% of hospitalisations are from a (unvaccinated) group which makes up less than 5% of the adult population, the vaccine is clearly doing its job."

[taolegal]

And what's worse in my opinion is that we're harassing a minority in society over something that seems much less significant (at this point) than the truly beneficial things (universally - not just covid, and that address things that certainly cost the healthcare system much more) like vitamin D sufficiency, regular exercise and healthy diet.

[taolegal]

Let's extend the metaphor even further, when you turn on the force field many people get hurt or sick sometimes even for days.