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by smoldesu 1289 days ago
When they migrated Chinese iCloud data to domestic servers.
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Why is data residency law cool and progressive when the EU does it and Big Tech complies, but Bad and Dystopian when China does the same? Tim Cook has said on the record that iCloud is the same regardless of data center.
Because the reasons for data sovereignty as legislated by the EU and countries within it, and China, are drastically different. Which one is the authoritarian regime which jails dissidents and which one has regulations giving consumers rights over their data? I'm fairly certain the motives for data sovereignty are wildly different.
I’m not sure if you’re aware, but there are anti-encryption legislative proposals in the EU which are as ill-informed and scary as anything I’ve heard of in Mainland China. It’s very unclear to me if motives matter in this case.
China has a reputation for hunting down religious minorities and political dissidents, Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters. I think there's cause for concern when China demands domestic ownership of iCloud info.
You mean like the French banning burkinis worn my religious minorities?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/grenoble-france-burkin...

Would it surprise you to learn that France also bans female genital mutilation, another religious practice enforced on people who typically have no say in the matter? These bans apply to people of any religion and of no religion.

Let's not pretend this is the same thing as kidnapping you and taking you to a reeducation camp because of your religion, leaving your kids alone and confused.

> Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters.

Very recently in history. China is bad now, European nations have been bad in the past… but who knows what the future holds.

Once data is released (keys, databases, plaintext messages, it doesn’t matter) it can’t be made private later.

The technical proposals are equally odious, and Europe is, what, 30 years removed from all sorts of authoritarian hijinks?

In any case, selective support for technical proposals based on broader political vibes is not a particularly inspiring stance.

You seem to have missed my point entirely then. I'm in full support of Apple holding themselves accountable for the data they hold, but they don't. As a result, we rely on "broader political vibes" to read between the lines.
You mean the same one that wants to lessen encryption so they can spy on you?

https://www.secureworld.io/industry-news/new-eu-push-for-enc...

You're saying there was a silent update pushed to Chinese iphones? Can you provide more details or a source on that?
It certainly wasn't silent, but that wasn't a condition for the parent's question. It was a well-documented (and much derided) decision though: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...
Seeing as context is conspicuously missing, all cloud services offered by foreign business in China a required to be hosted and controlled by state owned providers. For instance, China has a separate Microsoft 365/Azure region hosted and controlled by 21Vianet. Apple still controls the encryption keys and there is no evidence that they have handed them over to the CCP, but it is largely assumed. Federighi has said that Apple will offer EE2E in China.
You want them to break Chinese laws? Don't think they have popular support for that.