[sofixa]

Because the reasons for data sovereignty as legislated by the EU and countries within it, and China, are drastically different. Which one is the authoritarian regime which jails dissidents and which one has regulations giving consumers rights over their data? I'm fairly certain the motives for data sovereignty are wildly different.

[shuckles]

I’m not sure if you’re aware, but there are anti-encryption legislative proposals in the EU which are as ill-informed and scary as anything I’ve heard of in Mainland China. It’s very unclear to me if motives matter in this case.

[smoldesu]

China has a reputation for hunting down religious minorities and political dissidents, Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters. I think there's cause for concern when China demands domestic ownership of iCloud info.

[scarface74]

You mean like the French banning burkinis worn my religious minorities?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/grenoble-france-burkin...

[lern_too_spel]

Would it surprise you to learn that France also bans female genital mutilation, another religious practice enforced on people who typically have no say in the matter? These bans apply to people of any religion and of no religion.

Let's not pretend this is the same thing as kidnapping you and taking you to a reeducation camp because of your religion, leaving your kids alone and confused.

[scarface74]

So you put banning the clothes you can wear because you want to be modest with female genital mutilation?

[lern_too_spel]

Let's be clear about what we're discussing. France prevented a law that would have allowed burkinis to circumvent existing public pool rules that require a swim cap and forbid baggy clothes and certain sun protection suits. People forced to wear certain clothes by others in their religion do not get special exceptions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34833

[vineyardmike]

> Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters.

Very recently in history. China is bad now, European nations have been bad in the past… but who knows what the future holds.

Once data is released (keys, databases, plaintext messages, it doesn’t matter) it can’t be made private later.

[shuckles]

The technical proposals are equally odious, and Europe is, what, 30 years removed from all sorts of authoritarian hijinks?

In any case, selective support for technical proposals based on broader political vibes is not a particularly inspiring stance.

[smoldesu]

You seem to have missed my point entirely then. I'm in full support of Apple holding themselves accountable for the data they hold, but they don't. As a result, we rely on "broader political vibes" to read between the lines.

[shuckles]

I’m not sure what you mean by “holding themselves accountable for the data they hold”, but you began by implying data residency was compromising security at the behest of a government, but it does not itself do anything of that sort. Your technical claim is outright false.

[scarface74]

You mean the same one that wants to lessen encryption so they can spy on you?

https://www.secureworld.io/industry-news/new-eu-push-for-enc...