[foogazi]

> Regardless if perpetrators are primarily men, men tend to be victims far more often than women

But not for the same things

I don’t see the point of saying “men get killed too” - the point is to stop the killing

> and now boys are walking around thinking they are the problem before they even had a chance to prove themselves while girls are told they can do everything, even get way with (sometimes literal) murder

Trying to give you the HN comment benefit of the doubt but that is a very broad generalization that can’t possibly apply to most boys or girls - sounds like BS to me

[stemlord]

>But not for the same things

The man subject in the article is a self-proclaimed victim of toxic masculinity. He didn't die per-se but it doesn't take mental gymnastics to understand that many young men imprisoned for never being taught how to be civilized are as much victims of their circumstance as they are guilty for their behaviors wrought from it.

I think it was Bell Hooks who talked a lot about this, how men are also victims of patriarchy in general, and how overlooking this truth retards the healing progress

[foogazi]

Sure it’s not easy to say we act in complete isolation and clear thought - but these type of arguments have sooo many wrinkles to them (nature/nurture/opportunity) that it ends up coming down to free will, etc

At the core of a violent act an individual acts in a way that harms another individual - be it theft, rape or murder. Could be heat of the moment, or cold blooded action. Either way someone gets hurt

In addition to enforcing consequences we should identify the causes and work to continue civilizing individuals