[stemlord]

>But not for the same things

The man subject in the article is a self-proclaimed victim of toxic masculinity. He didn't die per-se but it doesn't take mental gymnastics to understand that many young men imprisoned for never being taught how to be civilized are as much victims of their circumstance as they are guilty for their behaviors wrought from it.

I think it was Bell Hooks who talked a lot about this, how men are also victims of patriarchy in general, and how overlooking this truth retards the healing progress

[foogazi]

Sure it’s not easy to say we act in complete isolation and clear thought - but these type of arguments have sooo many wrinkles to them (nature/nurture/opportunity) that it ends up coming down to free will, etc

At the core of a violent act an individual acts in a way that harms another individual - be it theft, rape or murder. Could be heat of the moment, or cold blooded action. Either way someone gets hurt

In addition to enforcing consequences we should identify the causes and work to continue civilizing individuals