[pjerem]

In fact, 2kg per month is pretty reasonable. I know it's possible to achieve this goal without starving yourself and by eating tasty and satiating food. I already did it in the past and it worked.

You "just" need to eat better food. It's that easy.

Well, here I'm not telling lessons, because I fail to "just" eat better food. In fact eating it is the easy part. Getting good food in your plate everyday is what is hard because it means making a lot of changes in your habits because, well, food is not going to cook itself and you always have "better" things to do.

[itsthejb]

Better food, yes. But also LESS food. I know it’s controversial to say so, but getting fat is a result of _eating too much!_. Yes, calorie dense food sure speeds up the process, but at the end of the day it’s a deficit between calories in, and calories burnt.

Source: experimented a fair amount with dieting/fasting in my 30s. When you talk about this with people, it’s startling how many believe that skipping some meals is dicing with death. Hardly surprising people struggle to lose weight, when they refuse to try changing the key variables

[pjerem]

> When you talk about this with people, it’s startling how many believe that skipping some meals is dicing with death.

Hahahaha, this, yes.

Last summer during a whole company offsite we happened to play some quizz game where you had to give the nearest answer. One question was « How much time could you survive without eating anything except water ? ».

Boy did I won this guess by trying a random « 30 days » because I knew world records are amounted in months. The other answers were all, without exceptions, around 2 to 3 days and nothing more than a week.

[Majestic121]

I think it's controversial not because it's false, but because calorie density variation in food is huge, a full order of magnitude, so only reducing quantity is not the best strategy in most cases.

100g of fries is about 250kcal, 100g of cabbage is around 30

You can quite literally eat 10 times as much cabbage as fries to have the same amount of calories

And eating less triggers a feeling of hunger (at least at the beginning), which makes following through harder.

[someweirdperson]

> 100g of fries is about 250kcal, 100g of cabbage is around 30

Cookies, chocolate, etc. easily exceed 500kcal/100g.

[AstralStorm]

Cheeses and some meat products, likewise. Plus there is something about milk products that makes them extra enticing. Tryptophan probably.

Beer is a serious calorie input too.

[thorin]

Kind of but you can eat a surprising amount of diced fruit and veg without sauce, or plain yoghurt, soup or boiled eggs or smoked fish without eating a lot of calories. I would eat 500/Kcal a day a couple of times a week and it actually wasn't too bad. I got out of the habit but might try it again in the summer.

[ilyt]

Please don't aim at that. Aim at anything negative for first month or two AT LEAST if not longer, then increase it. I had biggest bounceback after that kind of rate of drop.

Fix habit enough that you don't gain weight first, and get used to that being new normal, then start dropping, else it is very easy to bounce back.

Then, once you figured out how to live and eat "post weight drop", start actual drop, and if you bounce it won't be as hard

[k__]

That's around 500kcal deficit a day, which is the recommended deficit when losing weight.

So, yeah, you can lose more than that, but it's probably not sustainable by someone who loves to eat.

[endominus]

Well, depends on the person. Angus Barbieri was able to maintain a 0-calorie diet for over a year, losing 125 kg in the process. Not, perhaps, a feat to be emulated, but obviously physically possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast