[svnpenn]

> The extraction of these keys would then allow anyone to play UHD Blu-Rays outside of Intel SGX.

AS IT SHOULD BE. UHD Blu-Rays are not cheap [1]. If I am going to buy one, I damn sure should able to play it using whatever program I want. Its quite sad how many people have just accepted this reality without a fight. If you buy an apple (the fruit), does the grocery store get to choose what knife you use to cut it, or what plate you use to serve it?

1. https://bestbuy.com/site/dvd-blu-ray-movies-tv/4k-ultra-hd-b...

[gjsman-1000]

No, but if you buy proprietary razors, they will sure as heck try to make sure you only use their blades. ;)

But seriously... I agree. I get that DRM is meant to prevent "casual copying," but right now, that's just called "Downloading from 1337x." Unfortunately, I think that the only lesson movie studios are going to learn from this... is that they should phase out physical media and use Widevine and FairPlay hardware-assisted streaming DRM for everything. Which, to be fair, has been quite more resilient than AACS... but not pirate-proof...

I think the ultimate lesson is that movie studios will never cave on DRM or Copyright. In which case, in an ideal world, we'd repeal DMCA 1201 making breaking DRM legal for private use, and we'd cut copyright to 28 years in length (the original length, and also solving the video game preservation problem). From there, we could just have a trademark protection which states that distributing expired-copyright material in its original state gets a fair-use exception to trademark use, but modifications do not, solving that issue. [I.e. If I distributed Original Super Mario Bros. without changes, it wouldn't offend Nintendo's copyright - but if I changed it, I would have to call it something else and couldn't use "Mario" as a character.]

[svnpenn]

> Widevine

its pretty widely available how to get around this now. I have my own implementation actually. I wont say its "easy", but it is doable. And you can get quite a lot even with just an L3 CDM. Also at least one public Widevine proxy is now available, as well as a content key database.

[lossolo]

Sure, but without the keys that someone extracted from devices there is no way to "get around this". L3 CDM from browsers is easy to extract as its just sitting in .dll/.so file behind AES whitebox but they downgraded it to content with low quality on most streaming platforms.

> Also at least one public Widevine proxy is now available, as well as a content key database.

Public? Can you share some info?

[chocolatkey]

There are quite a few platforms that still offer e.g.1080p with L3, which I'm still looking for a replacement source for. The NHK uses it for time-limited content, such as interviews with manga authors which I've ripped for people to fansub. There's much more out there than just Netflix, Disney Amazon et al.

[svnpenn]

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[gjsman-1000]

I'm specifically talking about Widevine L1 in this case, which protects 1080p and 4K streams - not Widevine L3 which will always be vulnerable to some form of software-related attack. My remarks were mainly about how Widevine L1 has been shown to be much more protective in general against broadly-distributed attacks than AACS 1 and 2, even if pirates have secret workarounds.

[svnpenn]

> 1080p

I dont think you (and the public in general) realize that several sites offer 1080p, even with L3.

[jandrese]

The other issue is that if they go all the way and lock it down it quickly becomes the situation where people have to pirate the media they just bought if they want to watch it. Then they see how much better the pirates treat them and they are discouraged from buying the actual media.

Is all of this DRM actually stopping pirates? No. Is it harming your paying customers? Yes. Not always, but often enough that it discourages people from buying the media.