Please stop pretending that Twitter or Facebook censoring people is the same thing as China. Tech companies are not running concentration camps and don’t have nuclear weapons. They want to sell ads, not dominate the world.
> Please stop pretending that Twitter or Facebook censoring people is the same thing as China
If ~2-3 corporations control the speech, and they censor it according to their arbitrary whim and what the US government dictates as 'fake news' as the government wields the hammer of 'inquiries' that could lead to potential gigantic fines, even breakup over their heads, its the exact same thing with China's censorship.
The US government does not directly censor - it just 'outsources' the censorship to the 'free market' which has to do what the government wants or they will face inquiries, fines, regulations, break up or even persecution of their executives.
The same approach is employed in every other forms of repression and enforcement in US society too: The government does not repress people directly when they use their free speech dangerously. It just gets the police to enforce 'local ordinances' and then the courts make short work of the protesters by imposing fines on them for irrelevant things. Like how Occupy protesters were fined tens of thousands of dollars for 'trespassing' on PUBLIC property. No one's free speech was repressed. Its just that they were hooked up with fines and debt that will have them shut up and keep working like an indentured servant for decades to come in order to be able to pay those fines and debts.
> concentration camps
China does not have concentration camps. We, in the rest of the world have fed up with the constant smears and lies that the US media directs against the enemy they target. Each of our countries have passed from the same smear machine's target sights at least once in the past 60 years. The very fac that you are able to repeat such a smear on the public Internet without hesitating for even a second tells how strong is the censorship and control of 'free speech' in the US and its satellites.
Its not even 20 years after the tale of nonexistent Iraqi WMDS. You people still buy what is sold to you unquestioningly and ironically assert that you have 'free speech'.
One does not even need to mention the doublespeak of other countries having 'concentration camps', where in the US, actual slave labor are just called 'the private prison system'. The former 'concentration camp' de-radicalizes actual head-cutting terrorists, teaches them sciences, trades, and reintegrates them to the society as productive members free of charge. The latter just incarcerates people for trivial reasons to use them slave labor for their life. But the former is a 'rights problem'. Not the latter. You just 'rephrase' slavery differently, and its not slavery.
> They want to sell ads, not dominate the world.
They are appendages of the establishment that has over 800 military bases around the world. Especially around the targeted countries like China. So save that 'not wanting to dominate the world' thing.
> its the exact same thing with China's censorship.
No, it's not. In a location with adequate free speech protections, posting content against the ruling government's agenda would not by itself cause the poster to face incarceration or worse, even if it is a sensitive topic.
Both of the above links (and all of HN) are inaccessible in China without a VPN, and the Great Firewall makes most VPNs and anti-censorship services extremely unreliable in China through heavy throttling and connection resetting.
In between a wiki article sourced from Anglosaxon and Anglosaxon funded sources and the parliamentarians and ministers of EVERY single muslim majority country who went to Xinjiang and concluded that there were no concentration camps there, I will go with the latter.
> posting content against the ruling government's agenda would not by itself cause the poster to face incarceration or worse
Neither in China nor anywhere else posting anything against the government's 'agenda' does anything unless one is backed by NED. At most you get your post deleted.
There is no country that denies the existence of the concentration/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang.
I'm going to trust Anar Sabit's first-hand experiences in the Xinjiang concentration camps over the claims of an HN user who has an issue with "Anglosaxons". Xinjiang itself is a location where citizens are incarcerated en masse for speaking against the ruling government's agenda, and also for much less than that. You have no evidence that the people trapped in these concentation camps are "backed by NED".
> There is no country that denies the existence of the concentration/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang.
Every. Single. Muslim. Majority. Country. Did. And they did it at the UN.
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This is what happens if people keep getting their 'truth' from the machine that lied to them about nonexistent WMDs for years.
> You have no evidence that the people trapped in these concentation camps are "backed by NED
If they were backed by the NED, it would have been MUCH better. They are Islamist militants who returned from the CIA's botched Syrian affair, or the militants of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, which is considered as a terrorist organization by the UN. ONLY the US got them out of its own terrorist list to be able to use them against China.
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Look... The rest of the world does not expect the above level of awareness about geopolitics from your lot. They just expect you to stop feeding on the lies of the machine that has lied to you many times before. How many times do you need to be lied to until you stop believing lies...
Some countries with authoritarian governments used the euphemism "vocational education and training centers" to describe the Xinjiang concentration camps. They did not deny the existence of the concentration/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang.
The approximately 1,000 people in the Turkistan Islamic Party as of 2022 do not justify the imprisonment of over 1 million unrelated people of Uyghur ethnicity and/or Muslim faith in the Xinjiang concentration camps.
So is your office right in Beijing or somewhere else?
> Its not even 20 years after the tale of nonexistent Iraqi WMDS. You people still buy what is sold to you unquestioningly and ironically assert that you have 'free speech'.
Look at this. Here you are on a US website, free to post critical things about the US government with no fear of being put in jail or re-educated.
Why don’t you go to China and post on Weibo about Tiennamen Square and then come back and tell me again how they are the same.
Yep. Youre not a 'paid propagandist'. Everyone else is. Now that will make the inconvenient truth go away. Well done. Nobody ever thought of saying that before.
If ~2-3 corporations control the speech, and they censor it according to their arbitrary whim and what the US government dictates as 'fake news' as the government wields the hammer of 'inquiries' that could lead to potential gigantic fines, even breakup over their heads, its the exact same thing with China's censorship.
The US government does not directly censor - it just 'outsources' the censorship to the 'free market' which has to do what the government wants or they will face inquiries, fines, regulations, break up or even persecution of their executives.
The same approach is employed in every other forms of repression and enforcement in US society too: The government does not repress people directly when they use their free speech dangerously. It just gets the police to enforce 'local ordinances' and then the courts make short work of the protesters by imposing fines on them for irrelevant things. Like how Occupy protesters were fined tens of thousands of dollars for 'trespassing' on PUBLIC property. No one's free speech was repressed. Its just that they were hooked up with fines and debt that will have them shut up and keep working like an indentured servant for decades to come in order to be able to pay those fines and debts.
> concentration camps
China does not have concentration camps. We, in the rest of the world have fed up with the constant smears and lies that the US media directs against the enemy they target. Each of our countries have passed from the same smear machine's target sights at least once in the past 60 years. The very fac that you are able to repeat such a smear on the public Internet without hesitating for even a second tells how strong is the censorship and control of 'free speech' in the US and its satellites.
Its not even 20 years after the tale of nonexistent Iraqi WMDS. You people still buy what is sold to you unquestioningly and ironically assert that you have 'free speech'.
One does not even need to mention the doublespeak of other countries having 'concentration camps', where in the US, actual slave labor are just called 'the private prison system'. The former 'concentration camp' de-radicalizes actual head-cutting terrorists, teaches them sciences, trades, and reintegrates them to the society as productive members free of charge. The latter just incarcerates people for trivial reasons to use them slave labor for their life. But the former is a 'rights problem'. Not the latter. You just 'rephrase' slavery differently, and its not slavery.
> They want to sell ads, not dominate the world.
They are appendages of the establishment that has over 800 military bases around the world. Especially around the targeted countries like China. So save that 'not wanting to dominate the world' thing.