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by techolic 1304 days ago
The next outage will have a good likelihood of being the last outage.
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Yeah. Multiple entire teams that run critical systems have reportedly left.

It’s over. Dead site running. Such a horrible loss.

Glad the stockholders are happy. This was clearly better than the lawsuit. /s

The shareholders got paid; this isn’t their circus anymore.
some of them didn't. at least the saudis and @jack both rolled their stake over to the new ownership.
No excuses. No redirecting blame. This is 100% on Musk.
let's hope that if or when things turn around and go right you also attribute it 100% on Musk, becase there are a lot of hypocrites running around.
Why do you defend Elon Musk? Genuine question, I can't grasp that.
I don't care for that guy. My problem is with everyone parroting rumours, spreading unsourced garbage and asserting stuff they cannot possibly know.

This seems like reddit thread.

And again, this isn't about Twitter but about the hivemind and virulent hate taking over a sane discussion.

I'd love to see that the same people overblowing this out of proportion say they were wrong if the tide turns and Twitter ends up being better. Not because I care for twitter but becuase I'd like to think this isn't just foaming-in-the-mouth hate.

It matches what I see and hear directly from my friends on the ground at Twitter.

It’s a small world here in SF.

I also blame the previous management. They should have gone forward with the lawsuit.

Instead they took a payout and this happened.

They destroyed their company. I don’t think they knew it would be this bad this fast, but it was never going to go well.

I blame them all.

The lawsuit from the previous management was to force Musk to go through with the sale when he tried to go back on the deal, they didn't make any attempt to stop the sale because they knew he was paying an absurd price.

I don't know that the board had much of a choice though, the best fiduciary sense for all current stockholders was to let him buy the company, what happens after that is of no concern to them. It's the perverse reality when a corporation only exists to make money for the shareholders.

It's free market capitalism, no? The fiduciary duty of the previous management was to its shareholders (as much as I hate that), if you subscribe to that line of thinking then the board and management did what was right for Twitter's shareholders: extract as much value as possible for the shareholders.

Don't think there was a better financial outcome for them.

Well the offices supposedly open up again on the 21st, which is coincidentally also the start of the world cup? That's gonna be fun.
I told someone earlier it’s going down and not coming back up by Monday night.

I forgot about the World Cup.

I don’t know what to say anymore.

What about now?
Running fine just now. I waste a fair bit of time on HN and Twitter and remain unsure why Twitter needs 7000 people when HN does similar stuff with maybe two.
The stockholders didn't have any choice in any of this.
Care to wager?
Outages of complex systems tend to be complex. It’s very likely that institutional knowledge of how to resolve them is gone.
Care to wager?
If it’s a conceptually complex system then the devs weren’t really that good in the first place. Yeah, technical debt happens, but you can’t have both that the system had good technical leadership and it can’t possibly stay up under replacement employees. (My impression is that it will stay up.)
What magical unicorn of a place have you worked at that could survive multiple entire teams quitting at once? Do you think the induction manuals literally jump of the shelf and explain themselves to the new hires that there isn't an HR team to hire, a security team to grant their access and a department to welcome them?

This is like the flight crew being raptured. The plane is going to crash.

This is the ground crew being raptured, the flight crew all exploding, the plane had an engine removed "to trim the fat", the company who sold you fuel pulled out of the deal, everyone on the plane who has ever played flight simulator dies and is replaced one of those people who know just enough to fuck up.
All could, and one of them passed through full employee replacement when it failed to raise a round of funding. They would have to suffer and hire good people, not miscellaneous cogs, but they would survive.
> If it’s a conceptually complex system then the devs weren’t really that good in the first place.

Spoken like someone who has never worked on a sufficiently complex system.

There's a possibility that it's a Rube Goldberg machine written by bad devs that is actually crap and deserves a rewrite, but it's the thing that currently Elon has. If it goes down and there's no one left to bring it back up, how is that not a disaster for him? Is he going to say "Just give us 3 months folks, we'll be back online with much better code, I've got the hardcore devs right h..."

Actually he'll promise a self-coding website within 1 month.. Another month, promise.. Just pay us 8 bucks now and you'll get it very soon!

Hum, idk, it depends on who left. I think I agree that never coming back up is a tall order. There ought to be enough competent people left, but I’d bet something like Twitter will set a record (at least for the past decade) for downtime in the next year
I think the danger is overstated because I sense there is a lot of misinfo and exaggeration going on
> I sense there is a lot of misinfo and exaggeration going on

the bottom part of this thread is basically reddit. everyone is irrationally angry.

they would gladly let the remaining thousands of twitter employees eat dirt just to see elon musk fail.

The commenters in an unrelated thread aren't the ones letting Twitter employees eat dirt... that's a single person that just laid off something like 70% of the organization in the past two weeks.
I specifically said "let the remaining thousands", the keyword being "remaining".

and Elon Musk is firing employees to reduce costs, which is something every other tech giant is doing right now, in a different proportion of course.

those commenters would gladly let the rest "eat dirt" out of spite.