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by bitexploder 1311 days ago
I have gotten into Wim Hof and other breathing techniques. There is definitely something more to it than woo and sentiment. The way you can interact with and stimulate your nervous system through breathing remains unique to me in the scope of ways to interact with the body. I have also been into cold water immersion for many of the same reasons. Can dig up some posts I did on wim hof cheat sheet and cold water immersion on my blog (see profile). In fact, that is about all I wrote on my blog thus far, mostly as notes to myself and for close friends when they ask what I am up to in the health and fitness realm. CWI and Breathing are my future and I find huge benefits to it in my martial arts pursuits (brazilian jiu jitsu, staying calm, managing my energy in tough sparring matches, etc.).

I find the breath work to be more useful than meditation. Now any time I find stress I immediately recognize my breath and start controlling it, almost sub-consciously. Driving, tough spots in matches, just getting deep into a problem and not getting it. The breath is always there. Okay, maybe it is a little woo, but the more focused breathing activities are not and actually trigger physiological response, and these reminders of the breath are reminders of those states.

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> I find the breath work to be more useful than meditation. Now any time I find stress I immediately recognize my breath and start controlling it, almost sub-consciously.

I'd just like to note that you're literally describing mindfulness meditation and its effects, there. That's what interoceptive meditation is all about - focusing on your internal state - and breath is an excellent medium for that focus.

Anyone that believes that Wim Hof breathing is woo should literally just spend the three minutes to do a round of it and see the effects by themselves. It is immediately obvious that there is a clear effect on the body from just breathing the right way.

For anyone wanting to try, here is the video I used when I started getting into it: https://youtu.be/lwlEJ2O-6HM

(Don't necessarily pay too much attention to that creator's other videos, he's not very science-based overall.)

Just do the first round and you'll see an undeniable effect on your body and mind. I mean undeniable, not something subtle and small.

Now, the specific effects of it all can be debated. I'm rather doubtful of some of the claims made of it, and it's very clear that a lot of non-skeptical people flock to this sort of thing, so that's expected. But there's something to it, for sure. Try it the next time you're about to do something high-stress, such as public speaking. The difference for me is night and day.

I also recommend people check out NSDR. Here is what I use: https://youtu.be/AKGrmY8OSHM

It's a bit subtler, but there's a definite effect. Supposedly it has similar effects on learning as sleep. Whether that's true or not, it's a tool you can try out yourself and decide whether or not it's helpful to you.

I did mindfulness meditation for many years. The breathing is similar. Maybe the years of that and now the breathing are all tangled in my brain. But the Wim Hof Method stuff just feels different. I have been doing 10-25 minutes of breath work and 3-10 minutes of 4-8C water daily. It fixed a broken part if me nothing else has.
The disappointing thing about the Wim Hof videos that I have seen (many), is that he does not warn about the risk of tinnitus - and how to avoid it.
Could you please expand on that, or provide a link?

I've never heard of tinnitus in relation to breathing techniques, and it sounds like something I should be aware of, before starting with the Wim Hof method.

I'm interested in what it says about the cause of tinnitus, since I know someone who suffers from it -- I've experienced ringing in my ears after deep breathing and it was a kind of spiritual thing, sounded like those singing bowls used in buddhism, lots of harmonics and tremolo. As I understand it, the tinnitus caused by hearing damage is not nearly so pleasant..

But if it can be activated by changing your O2/CO2 levels, maybe it could be deadened by some change as well?

There are lots of webpages/videos discussing it if you do a search for "wim hof" and tinnitus".

I cannot find the link, but what I have read is that when you inhale and hold, that the pressure needs to be held in your belly, not in your head. If you hold the air pressure in your head/nasal cavities - that it could lead to tinnitus.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BecomingTheIceman/comments/ls2d85/w...

This link (which I recommend) provides a different take on WHM: https://ugjka.net/blog/breathwork/2022/07/30/wim-hof-breathi...

Fellow WHM practitioner here. IMO it’s not that woo’ie. Being connected with breathing means regulating the autonomous nervous system

I was a participant of the pnas article [1]. There’s quite a bit of science to it.

[1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1322174111

I think almost everything Wim has promoted from the hard science side is accurate. There are just some elements of it that I know are mostly mental for me, but it is tightly coupled with all the the physiological in ways I haven’t bothered to articulate much :)