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by zaptrem 1312 days ago
Awesome. This should be a world-wide standard. NACS (Tesla) VS CCS is like USB-A 1.0 vs USB-C with Power Delivery: CCS is unbelievably slow and clunky to the point where it might turn people off wanting an EV once they experience the slow and clunkiness.
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stetrain 1312 days ago
Tesla’s connector has zero marketshare in Europe and doesn’t support 3-phase AC charging.

I don’t think there is that much benefit in a global standard given that adapters exist.

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gibolt 1312 days ago
Teslas (and their Superchargers) shipped there before ~2019 had the same plug, before they switched to CCS.

I'm not sure how 3-phase fits in, but it didn't prevent being at least as useful as in the U.S.

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stetrain 1312 days ago
No, in Europe Tesla originally used the Type 2 connector, which Europe uses for AC charging and includes pins for 3-phase.

The proprietary part was they did pin switching to enable the same connector to do DC Supercharging as well.

Now they have switched to CCS Type 2 in Europe which is the Type 2 connector plus additional pins for DC charging and the CCS communication protocols.

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Symbiote 1312 days ago
Three phase power is very common in Europe. I have three phase sockets (for the oven etc) in my 80m² apartment.
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Dylan16807 1312 days ago
I think you'd have to make yet another new connector if you wanted a really good global standard, which makes it even less worth attempting.
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LeoPanthera 1312 days ago
> CCS is unbelievably slow and clunky to the point where it might turn people off wanting an EV once they experience the slow and clunkiness.

Only Tesla owners say this. Owners of all other EVs literally don't care - except as much as they care that every other non-Tesla charger uses CCS.

They care about not having to worry about which charging station to use, not the shape of the plug.

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kgermino 1312 days ago
Is CCS really that slow and clunky? I don't have direct experience with it but everyone I know who has says it's at least as easy to manage as a gas nozzle.

On speed, CCS supports faster charging than an Supercharger built to date so if you had a bad experience with charging speed it was the car or charger, not CCS

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rootusrootus 1312 days ago
A typical EV owner will use CCS a few times a year. Every other day of the year they will use a much smaller J1772 connector with a much smaller cord. Having owned both a Tesla as well as an EV that uses J1772, it's the same experience.
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gibolt 1312 days ago
Closer to Parallel port vs. USB-C
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