[klausjensen]

Propaganda and lies?

The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head, clear signs of torture, thousands of witness-testimonies. Bucha, Irpin, Izium etc.

And all of it will look like tiddlywinks compared to when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day.

But if you want to believe it is all lies and evil nazi (or is it satanic these days?) NATO-propaganda, go ahead.

[unity1001]

> The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head

Just like the WMDs in Iraq. And the 'rape kits' of Gaddafi soldiers. The same rape kits which Russian soldiers seem to have now. And they are just like how Germans raped babies during Ww I in Belgium. It worked that one time and every single time after that, so they are still using atrocity propaganda. Because Angloamerican public are suckers for it.

> when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day.

Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened.

But of course, that will change absolutely nothing: Because by then you people will have moved to the new atrocity propaganda around the new war.

> NATO-propaganda, go ahead.

Having lived through NATO propaganda and lies first hand, yeah, I will go ahead.

[_kbh_]

> Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened.

This is such an extraordinary claim you must have a great evidence for it right?.

[unity1001]

Yeah. Better than the evidence that the Ukrainian government, who had to fire one of their ministers for lying about 'Russians raping children', has. Its amazing how proven, persistent liars can be trusted again and again in Anglosphere.

The dead in Bucha had white armbands. Those armbands are worn by local civilians who help in distributing the Russian-army supplied aid before the Russian army left the region and Ukrainian nationalists declared that they 'cleaned up the traitors'.

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The 'extraordinary claim' bit is interesting. Why should it be 'extraordinary'? Because Russia - or whomever the current Angloamerican enemy - is sufficiently demonized in the Western press that it is 'extraordinary' to say that something like this did not happen? How is that any different from the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs, how Saddam gave 'rape kits' to his soldiers, and then Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers and then now - surprise - Russia gives rape kits to its soldiers as we are told by The Mirror?

The SAME lie that was used against the Germans back in World war I, STILL being used in EVERY affair in which the UK or the US gets involved in, against their enemies?

Why the Western public are so big suckers for atrocity propaganda even as 80% of the world just does not buy the same bullsh*t?

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The only answer is that because you people WANT to believe such lies. It appeases the false superiority that is exercised over the farcical 'democracy and freedom' shtick, it creates social cohesion among the group and it projects the problems at home and the anger resulting from them to outside enemies. Which helps you to tolerate the real enemies that live in your midst, like the ones who rule your society - the ones whom you can do nothing about.

There is no other explanation for such an insistence on believing the same lies over and over and over and over.

[_kbh_]

> Yeah. Better than the evidence that the Ukrainian government, who had to fire one of their ministers for lying about 'Russians raping children', has. Its amazing how proven, persistent liars can be trusted again and again in Anglosphere.

You don't have to believe the Ukrainians on this, the UN had an independent report done on Ukraine that concluded the same thing.

The Russian army rapes children.

Here's my source

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/09/update-chair-ind...

>> The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined. Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons. The exposure to repeated explosions, crimes, forced displacement and separation from family members deeply affected their well-being and mental health.

I don't see a source in your 3 paragraph response, so when you respond with one ill have a look.

[unity1001]

> the UN had an independent report done

"the UN" had done a lot of reports related to the Angloamerican propaganda in the past as well, and the results of each precisely reflected the agenda of whichever country was leading that particular commission at that given moment. This includes all the 'genocides' attributed to the enemies of the US.

Even worse, there were points in which entire institutions of the UN were subverted based on the clout of the country that ran enough commissions - so much that the UK literally awarded the presidency of the human rights commission to Saudi Arabia at that point, thanks to the vote power it had from 'countries' like Cayman Islands, Marshall Islands etc.

So, sorry, but I shall pass that as a source as well.

> I don't see a source in your 3 paragraph response, so when you respond with one ill have a look.

Neither do I see a source in your response.

[_kbh_]

> "the UN" had done a lot of reports related to the Angloamerican propaganda in the past as well, and the results of each precisely reflected the agenda of whichever country was leading that particular commission at that given moment. This includes all the 'genocides' attributed to the enemies of the US.

Once again you say a lot with no proof, it’s easy to write paragraphs of nothingness that backup whatever propaganda you are trying to push or believe, it’s much harder to do it with an actual credible source.

> So, sorry, but I shall pass that as a source as well.

> Neither do I see a source in your response.

Did you miss the url I posted to the report?. Or are you simply dismissing anything that doesn’t fit the narrative you are trying to push?.

But regardless you haven’t posted any source for any of your claims and continue to write paragraph long replies with no evidence of anything.