[ashwagary]

Not true, Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs get credit for what they built without this kind of commentary. Primarily because people don't detect immense amounts of fraud in how they operate(d), they actually built and delivered what they promised investors and consumers.

[lazyeye]

What "immense amounts of fraud" are you talking about?

[ashwagary]

Promising FSD, Self driving Taxis, Tesla Trucks, Tesla Semis, and other vaporware to raise funds from investors and public then never delivering.

There are also claims of games being played with Tesla options at the direction of Elon, though that area is less clear to me.

[lazyeye]

That's pretty ridiculous way to frame things IMO.

Maybe it's just a case of what he is doing is a dramatically more difficult and challenging than what the majority of us can remotely understand. And that would mean things don't go the way he planned a significant amount of the time (perfectly normal). And that includes the whole spectrum of business operations -> investors, funding/finance, marketing, technology, distribution, supply chains etc.

I know from the comfort of our desk chair (with no risk taken, no relevant experience, no nothing really) and with perfect 20/20 hindsight we can make these criticisms but really they dont mean much.

[ashwagary]

>dramatically more difficult and challenging than what the majority of us can remotely understand.

Jobs and Bezos fell into this category, they just underpromised and overdelivered, not the opposite.

[lazyeye]

So you are comparing 3 very different businesses, particularly in terms of market size and economics of distribution.

I'm going to assume you lack the background and expertise to make any meaningful assessment of these businesses in the general sense, let alone with regard to specific challenges they each faced.

And even if true, the opposite of under-promising and over-delivering is not "immense amounts of fraud".

[Bubble_Pop_22]

Nobody cares about the potential. People only care about a CEO as the person who signs off quality of life.

Musk has barely signed off anything, he's constantly postponing the moment when he'll sign off quality of life, but he's getting paid right now.

Today has been a slow day and I used the various different flavors of Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft so many times. They might not be a colony on Mars, but at least they are real.

[P_I_Staker]

lol, the guy has an extremely long track record of overpromising and underdelivering.

[lazyeye]

lol...if only Elon had delivered like your average forum commenter...