[lovich]

I mean, murdering and cremating isn’t the only bit of genocide. They’ve also bern taking Ukrainian children and adopting them out to Russian families, and filtrating out Ukrainian adults across Russia.

At the beginning and through most of the invasion they Russian stance was that Ukrainians are a fake people and don’t actually exist. If I was getting invaded by a group saying my people weren’t real I probably wouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt that they’d treat me well or let me live if I laid down Armstrong

[whimsicalism]

Clearly denying Ukrainian identity & culture is part of the Russian project here and is linked to forced relocation/adoption.

My question was merely on the claim that Russia desired to murder & cremate some >1% of the Ukrainian population.

[lovich]

It looks like the thread got stuck on a technicality around the cremations. I think I still agree with the initial, wider hypothesis the poster had with

> It was never a question of "no war and survive" VS "die in war" - but "no war, die anyways" VS "war, possibly survive"

Especially if, like most groups of humans as were tribal, the dissolution of your tribe is almost equivalent to not surviving

[whimsicalism]

> Especially if, like most groups of humans as were tribal, the dissolution of your tribe is almost equivalent to not surviving

I view this as dehumanizing. I would rather live and not be an American than die while being an American. I suspect most people are the same.

[lovich]

> I view this as dehumanizing. I would rather live and not be an American than die while being an American. I suspect most people are the same.

Humans are tribal on average. I also suspect that there are >zero groups of which you are a member, that you wouldn’t be willing to make sacrifices for.

It may be the case that you personally are an outlier, but it doesn’t change the group dynamics and we are discussing aggregate group behavior and their in this thread, not specific individuals