[lovich]

It looks like the thread got stuck on a technicality around the cremations. I think I still agree with the initial, wider hypothesis the poster had with

> It was never a question of "no war and survive" VS "die in war" - but "no war, die anyways" VS "war, possibly survive"

Especially if, like most groups of humans as were tribal, the dissolution of your tribe is almost equivalent to not surviving

[whimsicalism]

> Especially if, like most groups of humans as were tribal, the dissolution of your tribe is almost equivalent to not surviving

I view this as dehumanizing. I would rather live and not be an American than die while being an American. I suspect most people are the same.

[lovich]

> I view this as dehumanizing. I would rather live and not be an American than die while being an American. I suspect most people are the same.

Humans are tribal on average. I also suspect that there are >zero groups of which you are a member, that you wouldn’t be willing to make sacrifices for.

It may be the case that you personally are an outlier, but it doesn’t change the group dynamics and we are discussing aggregate group behavior and their in this thread, not specific individuals